Australia descends into Covid madness

[PoliTalker]

How many Americans would still be alive if the USA did as good a job of preventing coronavirus as Australia has done?

The USA has 333,273,117 people.

That would be 323.273117 Million.

323.273117 Million * 40 Deaths per Million = 12,931 Deaths.

America has had 662,983 Deaths.

662,983 Deaths - 12,931 Deaths = 650,052 live Americans.

If America did as good a job of preventing coronavirus as Australia has done, 650,052 dead Americans would be alive right now.

But thanks to Trump and anti-government, anti-mask, anti-vax nonsense, all of those 650,052 Americans are dead.

Very sad numbers.

We can end the needless deaths beginning right now with every person who joins the fight against coronavirus.

Please wear your mask.

Please get vaccinated.

Please keep your distance.

 

[Into the Night]

No, the genetics are not changed, or hijacked. The point of the hijacking is at the parts of the cell that produce proteins, not at the genetics. There is no logic reason that this would modify the DNA of the cell, and it has not been seen to do such.

It is quite possible for a virus to modify the DNA of the host cell.

 

[Into the Night]

The vaccines do not take over the cell, nor act like a virus. They do insert messages that appear to come from the DNA, but it is after the genetic level.

A vaccine is viruses, dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

The genetics are not hijacked, it is the ribosome.

What governs the ribosome, dumbass?

 

[Phantasmal]

A vaccine is viruses, dumbass.

[FONT=&quot]The mRNA vaccines do not contain any live virus. Instead, they work by teaching our cells to make a harmless piece of a “spike protein,” which is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After making the protein piece, cells display it on their surface. Our immune system then recognizes that it does not belong there and responds to get rid of it. When an immune response begins, antibodies are produced, creating the same response that happens in a natural infection.

[/FONT]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

 

[Into the Night]

Once again, the genetics is not changed.

A virus is completely capable of modifying the DNA of a cell.

You keep getting that wrong.

No, that's YOU.

Messages that the genetics never sent are inserted into the cell.

A virus is not a message.

The spike protein is produced, but not replicated. Replicated would mean that it existed before and made a copy of itself.

The spite protein did exist before. The virus hijacks the cell to make another. That's called 'replication' dude.

Some vaccines are viruses, but these vaccines are not.

Vaccines are viruses, including both covid19 vaccines.

 

[Into the Night]

They are.

Invading a cell and changing it's functioning is mutating it.

No. Mutation requires replication of the modified cell, or the change occurs during replication.

Is cancer mutagenic?

Yes. Cancer is an aneuploid cell. It has too much DNA.

 

[Into the Night]

No, changing the genetics of a cell is mutating it.

A virus is completely capable of modifying the DNA of a cell. It is not a mutation until the cell replicates.

No, cancer is the product of mutagen, but is not usually a mutagen itself.

Cancer is a mutagen itself. It also continues to mutate during replication.

 

[Nordberg]

based on fake diagnosis of cause of death.

you believe lies.

You have no problem repeating falsehoods.

 

[Into the Night]

Cancer reproduces, which is the way it spreads. It does not alter other cells, but reproduces itself. A mutagen came along, mutated the original cell into a cancer cell. Cancer cells by definition reproduce out of control. They do not take healthy cells and mutate them.

Not the definition of cancer. Cancer is an aneuploid cell. It has too much DNA. They also mutate during replication.

Your lack of education shows two things: America has failed you, and you have failed America.

He has shown no lack of education. It is YOU showing illiteracy here.
You don't get to speak for everyone in America. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Trumpanzees are proof positive that mutations occur.

Most are descended from humans prior to devolving.

I've always noticed similarities between cancer and trumpanzees,

and so, I assume, have most of you.

Insult fallacies. Trolling.

 

[Into the Night]

It does. It alters other cells to make them cancer cells.

Cancer is also a mutagen.

A cancer cell does not alter any other cell. The virus it contained, however, certainly can. Cancer is a mutagen because it can and does mutate during replication.

 

[Into the Night]

Cancer, function or property?

A property. Cancer is an aneuploid cell. It has too much DNA.

 

[Walt]

It is quite possible for a virus to modify the DNA of the host cell.

A virus does change the DNA of an infected cell. A vaccine does not need to change the DNA. That is not how vaccination works.

If a vaccine contains a live virus, which some do, then I guess it would modify the DNA of infected cells. None of the Covid-19 vaccines contain live viruses.

 

[Into the Night]

Cancer cells reproduce quickly, mostly, they do not alter non cancer cells to be cancer cells.

Cancer cells not not necessarily reproduce quickly. The virus a cancer cell contains can certainly alter healthy cells into cancer cells.

 

[Walt]

A vaccine is viruses, dumbass.

Some vaccines do have weakened live viruses, but most do not. None of the Covid-19 vaccines have live viruses in them. The process of vaccination requires only that proteins found on the virus be introduced into the body, not the entire virus.

 

[Walt]

What governs the ribosome, dumbass?

The DNA sends mRNA to the ribosomes. The vaccine works by sending mRNA to the ribosomes. Basically, the DNA is cut out of the loop, but it is not mutated.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes they do.

How does the first cell become cancerous?

Usually through a fucked up division process. One cell gets too much DNA, the other gets too little. The cell with too little dies, since it doesn't have enough DNA to survive. The one with too much can often do little more than act like a parasite. It takes in resources from the body and all it really can accomplish is to grow and divide.

Many things can cause a division to fuck up. A virus, exposure to hard radiation, repeated trauma (requiring more divisions to repair the damage, inviting one to fuck up), stress, etc.

Viruses can do this by either modifying the DNA itself, or by interfering with the division process.

 

[Into the Night]

Many times through a mutagen, but the cancer does not produce the mutagen.

Cancer can and does mutate during replication. It is a mutagen.

 

[Walt]

Not the definition of cancer.

A benign tumor does not grow, and so therefore is not a cancer. By definition, a cancer is mutated cells that abnormally grow. There are plenty of mutated cells in your body, not growing, that are just fine.