Biden wrong to evict Winston Churchill bust from Oval Office

Darth Omar said:
It reflects a mindset.

The Brits have a colonialist history that ‘enlightened’ progressives find offensive. It didn’t surprise me that Obama would kick Churchill out but it seems out of character for Biden to do it.

Apparently, he’s spent so much time with them lately they’ve taken over his mind. Or, it was ‘suggested’ that Churchill be sent back by someone else. Harris would be an obvious culprit for that.

In any event it’s petty and stupid.
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As is the article and the thread. There is no indication why the bust is being relocated. There is no indication that the British government takes any offense to it (except that Boris Johnson made a comment eleven years ago). There is no indication of what is taking the place of the bust. Unless there's some actual story here, then let the man decorate his office however he wants. Is this what Fox News and its drooling viewers are going to be doing for the next four years?
 
anatta said:
only a PURE IDIOT would say getting NATO to pay 2% was "pissing on out allies"
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Trump just talked. There was an agreement in place saying they would meet the requirement by 2024. If he shut up, it would be done as agreed. But Trump does not recognize pacts. He assumes the power to break them at will and dictate terms he feels like. Trump has trashed the entire concept of the international deal. He can pull out at a whim. Why would anyone ink a deal with the US when a guy like Trump can ignore it.
 
dukkha said:
n his inaugural address, President Biden pledged to "repair alliances." Yet one of his first moves in power was to remove a bust of the late British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill from the Oval Office, as President Barack Obama did in January 2009. This was a slap in the face for Great Britain on Day One of Biden's presidency, and sends the wrong signal to America’s closest friend and ally.

The Churchill bust is a sensitive issue for U.S.-British relations. The bronze bust, created by sculptor Jacob Epstein, was originally a loaned gift to President George W. Bush from British Prime Minister Tony Blair in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The bust is a symbol of the British people standing shoulder to shoulder with their American brothers and sisters following the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. Another bust of Churchill, which has been on the second floor of the White House since the 1960s, is outside the Treaty Room.


When Obama decided to send the Oval Office Churchill bust back to the British Embassy within days of taking office, the move attracted a great deal of negative publicity in the United Kingdom. It was strongly condemned by then-mayor of London (and now Prime Minister) Boris Johnson.

The Churchill bust was returned to the White House when Donald Trump became president in 2017, and was in the Oval Office until this week.

Indeed, under President Obama, the partnership between the two allies was not as close as it was under President George W. Bush. At the time, many British conservatives viewed the Obama administration as being at best lukewarm towards Britain, and on occasion even hostile.

In April 2016, ahead of the Brexit referendum, Obama warned the U.K. that it would be at "the back of the queue" for a trade deal with the U.S. if the British people dared to vote to leave the European Union. His remarks, made in London, were seen as both insulting and an unacceptable direct intervention by the U.S. president in British politics.

There are real concerns in London that Biden may translate his antipathy towards Brexit and his well-known admiration for the European Union into a downgrading of the Anglo-American alliance in favor of appeasing Brussels and the continental European powers of Germany and France.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/churchill-bust-biden-nile-gardiner
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Why are you always whining about the most trivial stuff?!
 
Nordberg said:
Trump just talked. There was an agreement in place saying they would meet the requirement by 2024. If he shut up, it would be done as agreed. But Trump does not recognize pacts. He assumes the power to break them at will and dictate terms he feels like. Trump has trashed the entire concept of the international deal. He can pull out at a whim. Why would anyone ink a deal with the US when a guy like Trump can ignore it.
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many were not meeting the obligation, with no indication they would
This has been going on for a while ( dont feel like dong the research on the particulars)

2% was an Obama policy as well, except it was just talk
"money talks, bullshit walks"
 
anatta said:
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
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But European allies are anxious about a potential rerun of what was portrayed as a kick-the-allies-then-fete-an-adversary performance by the American president. They worry that Trump will use his European tour beginning at a NATO summit in Brussels next week to question transatlantic security and economic ties – only to then team up with Mr. Putin to undermine a united Europe, US-Europe analysts say.
“There’s a building sense of foreboding about a ‘Ground Hog Day the Movie’ scenario where we have a summit with allies that goes terribly wrong, and then a summit with an adversary that goes swimmingly well – and that this is the way things are going to be under this president,” says Heather Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.


It is not the prospect of a US-Russia summit that is worrisome, European officials say, but the cementing of a pattern from the Trump White House that is hostile to Western allies – and in particular to the “European project” led by the European Union. It is not so much an unpredictable Trump that is raising transatlantic anxieties, they add, but a Trump who is reliably antagonistic toward Europe.
“In fact, the president has been extremely consistent in his criticism of the [North Atlantic] Alliance.… He has been very clear that there is a special Trumpian hell for the European Union and China, with the EU considered to be worse than China,” says a senior European official in Washington, who requested anonymity to speak freely on the US-Europe relationship.


“What we have never seen before is what looks increasingly like a policy of the Trump administration to undercut what we’ve come to call the European project,” says Ms. Conley. “It starts to feel like this is a policy to divide and erode Europe.”
She and others, including European officials, point to various signs of support from the administration for Europe’s populists and nationalists who target the EU as their worst enemy. More shocking still, they say, are the reports (since confirmed) that Trump at various times has encouraged French President Emmanuel Macron to pull France out of the EU – attempting to lure one of the EU’s most fervent supporters with the promise of a strong bilateral trade deal with the U

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Forei...ummit-A-pattern-of-Trump-disrespecting-allies
 
anatta said:
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
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Denmark on Tuesday became the latest country to be caught in President Trump's crosshairs after he announced he was postponing a meeting with the country's leader over a dispute involving Greenland, a semi-autonomous Danish territory.
The move is the latest example of Trump shattering diplomatic norms by lashing out at traditional allies, a tendency that has stunned foreign policy expert


[FONT=&quot]Here’s a look at the allied countries that have incited Trump’s wrath since he took office.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Australia[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shortly after taking office, Trump reportedly berated then-Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over an agreement between the U.S. and Australia involving refugee resettlement.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Canada[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trump has at times had an adversarial relationship with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, lambasting America’s northern neighbor over what he saw as unfair trade practices.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The president excoriated Trudeau as “meek and mild” and “dishonest & weak” during their conversations on trade at the G7 summit in 2018 and threatened to withhold the U.S.’s signature from a joint communique from the meeting over the feud.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Germany[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trump has had a particularly tumultuous relationship with German Chancellor Angela Merkel since taking office in January 2017, hammering her over trade, NATO contributions and a pipeline delivering oil from Russia.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The president has repeatedly threatened Germany with auto tariffs, saying if companies like BMW and Mercedes wanted to sell cars in the U.S., they should build them in the country.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Japan[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trump has often lamented the U.S.’s responsibility to defend Japan if attacked, saying the alliance between Washington and Tokyo is uneven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“If Japan is attacked, we will fight World War Three ... with our lives and with our treasure,” he said in June, adding that if the U.S. were attacked, “Japan doesn't have to help us at all” and “can watch it on the Sony television.”

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mexico[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]President Trump has repeatedly torn into Mexico, slamming it on trade but focusing much of his ire on the country over immigration. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trump has threatened America’s southern neighbor with tariffs over its alleged inaction in working to stem the flow of undocumented migrants in the U.S.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sweden[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]President Trump feuded with Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven last month after American rapper A$AP Rocky was detained in Sweden and charged with assault following a June incident in Stockholm.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trump, who learned of the case from first lady Melania Trump and had discussed it with Kanye West repeatedly asked Löfven to intervene, and expressed frustration with what he saw as a lack of progress.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]United Kingdom[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]While Trump has bashed the United Kingdom over trade practices, threatening tariffs on one of the U.S.’s closest allies to rectify what he sees as an imbalance, he has directed much of his criticism toward the country’s handling of Brexit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Trump hammered former Prime Minister Theresa May over the U.K.’s break from the European Union, saying she did not take his advice. [/FONT]




https://thehill.com/policy/internat...us-allies-that-have-been-in-trumps-crosshairs
 
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Rune said:
[FONT=&]Denmark on Tuesday became the latest country to be caught in President Trump's crosshairs after he announced he was postponing a meeting with the country's leader over a dispute involving Greenland, a semi-autonomous Danish territory.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The move is the latest example of Trump shattering diplomatic norms by lashing out at traditional allies, a tendency that has stunned foreign policy expert


[/FONT][FONT="]Here’s a look at the allied countries that have incited Trump’s wrath since he took office.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Australia[/FONT]
[FONT="]Shortly after taking office, Trump reportedly berated then-Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over an agreement between the U.S. and Australia involving refugee resettlement.

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Canada[/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump has at times had an adversarial relationship with Canadian Prime Minister [URL="https://thehill.com/people/justin-trudeau"]Justin Trudeau[/URL], lambasting America’s northern neighbor over what he saw as unfair trade practices.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The president [URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391515-trump-rips-meek-and-mild-trudeau-for-criticizing-tariffs"]excoriated Trudeau[/URL] as “meek and mild” and “dishonest & weak” during their conversations on trade at the G7 summit in 2018 and threatened to withhold the U.S.’s signature from a joint communique from the meeting over the feud.

[/FONT]
[FONT="]Germany[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Trump has had a particularly tumultuous relationship with German Chancellor Angela Merkel since taking office in January 2017, hammering her over trade, NATO contributions and a pipeline delivering oil from Russia.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The president has repeatedly threatened Germany with auto tariffs, saying if companies like BMW and Mercedes wanted to sell cars in the U.S., they should build them in the country.

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Japan[/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump has often lamented the U.S.’s responsibility to defend Japan if attacked, saying the alliance between Washington and Tokyo is uneven.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]“If Japan is attacked, we will fight World War Three ... with our lives and with our treasure,” he said in June, adding that if the U.S. were attacked, “Japan doesn't have to help us at all” and “can watch it on the Sony television.”

[/FONT]
[FONT="]Mexico[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]President Trump has repeatedly torn into Mexico, slamming it on trade but focusing much of his ire on the country over immigration. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump has threatened America’s southern neighbor with tariffs over its alleged inaction in working to stem the flow of undocumented migrants in the U.S.

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Sweden[/FONT]
[FONT="]President Trump feuded with Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven last month after American rapper A$AP Rocky was detained in Sweden and charged with assault following a June incident in Stockholm.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Trump, who learned of the case from first lady Melania Trump and had discussed it with Kanye West repeatedly asked Löfven to intervene, and expressed frustration with what he saw as a lack of progress.

[/FONT]
[FONT="]United Kingdom[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]While Trump has bashed the United Kingdom over trade practices, threatening tariffs on one of the U.S.’s closest allies to rectify what he sees as an imbalance, he has directed much of his criticism toward the country’s handling of Brexit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump hammered former Prime Minister [URL="https://thehill.com/people/theresa-may"]Theresa May[/URL] over the U.K.’s break from the European Union, saying she did not take his advice. [/FONT]
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https://thehill.com/policy/internat...us-allies-that-have-been-in-trumps-crosshairs[/FONT]
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You forgot Poland.

https://apnews.com/article/a96444a4f11a44b0907ef610dd6121f5

Trump signs Holocaust property law that has angered Poland
By VANESSA GERA and MONIKA SCISLOWSKA
May 10, 2018
WARSAW, Poland (AP) — U.S. President Donald Trump has signed an act that Jewish groups praise as helpful in their efforts to reclaim lost property in Poland but which the Polish government says is discriminatory.

The White House says Trump signed the Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today — or JUST — Act. It requires the State Department to report to Congress on what steps dozens of countries in Europe have taken to compensate Holocaust survivors or their heirs for assets seized under Nazi German and Communist rule.
 
Rune said:
But European allies are anxious about a potential rerun of what was portrayed as a kick-the-allies-then-fete-an-adversary performance by the American president. They worry that Trump will use his European tour beginning at a NATO summit in Brussels next week to question transatlantic security and economic ties – only to then team up with Mr. Putin to undermine a united Europe, US-Europe analysts say.
“There’s a building sense of foreboding about a ‘Ground Hog Day the Movie’ scenario where we have a summit with allies that goes terribly wrong, and then a summit with an adversary that goes swimmingly well – and that this is the way things are going to be under this president,” says Heather Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.


It is not the prospect of a US-Russia summit that is worrisome, European officials say, but the cementing of a pattern from the Trump White House that is hostile to Western allies – and in particular to the “European project” led by the European Union. It is not so much an unpredictable Trump that is raising transatlantic anxieties, they add, but a Trump who is reliably antagonistic toward Europe.
“In fact, the president has been extremely consistent in his criticism of the [North Atlantic] Alliance.… He has been very clear that there is a special Trumpian hell for the European Union and China, with the EU considered to be worse than China,” says a senior European official in Washington, who requested anonymity to speak freely on the US-Europe relationship.


“What we have never seen before is what looks increasingly like a policy of the Trump administration to undercut what we’ve come to call the European project,” says Ms. Conley. “It starts to feel like this is a policy to divide and erode Europe.”
She and others, including European officials, point to various signs of support from the administration for Europe’s populists and nationalists who target the EU as their worst enemy. More shocking still, they say, are the reports (since confirmed) that Trump at various times has encouraged French President Emmanuel Macron to pull France out of the EU – attempting to lure one of the EU’s most fervent supporters with the promise of a strong bilateral trade deal with the U

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Forei...ummit-A-pattern-of-Trump-disrespecting-allies
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The EU divided the EU by forcing refugee quotas on all members.

You can't blame Putin for that.
 
The President gets to decorate the Oval Office. Biden is President. Any other stupid statements, comrade?
 
Primavera said:
Well I must have gone there at least twenty times in the Nineties, you wouldn't find any Poles who didn't hate the Russians. They wanted to get rid of that hideous Palace of Culture in Warsawa but couldn't decide how to do it.
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Russia isn't the center of the Globalist World Order, the USA & Western EU are.

For this reason I see Russia as the lesser of evils.

Not that I'm thrilled with Russia.

But, with with failure to once again have Poland form Intermarium or a Catholic union.

Poland's options are limited.

Why many Poles would rather turn their back on Russia a Slavic relative who isn't forcing refugees or LGBTQ down everybody's throats!!

But, side with dubious Globalist tools like the West, well I don't agree.
 
Rune said:
[FONT=&]Denmark on Tuesday became the latest country to be caught in President Trump's crosshairs after he announced he was postponing a meeting with the country's leader over a dispute involving Greenland, a semi-autonomous Danish territory.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The move is the latest example of Trump shattering diplomatic norms by lashing out at traditional allies, a tendency that has stunned foreign policy expert


[/FONT][FONT="]Here’s a look at the allied countries that have incited Trump’s wrath since he took office.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Australia[/FONT]
[FONT="]Shortly after taking office, Trump reportedly berated then-Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over an agreement between the U.S. and Australia involving refugee resettlement.

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Canada[/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump has at times had an adversarial relationship with Canadian Prime Minister [URL="https://thehill.com/people/justin-trudeau"]Justin Trudeau[/URL], lambasting America’s northern neighbor over what he saw as unfair trade practices.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The president [URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391515-trump-rips-meek-and-mild-trudeau-for-criticizing-tariffs"]excoriated Trudeau[/URL] as “meek and mild” and “dishonest & weak” during their conversations on trade at the G7 summit in 2018 and threatened to withhold the U.S.’s signature from a joint communique from the meeting over the feud.

[/FONT]
[FONT="]Germany[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Trump has had a particularly tumultuous relationship with German Chancellor Angela Merkel since taking office in January 2017, hammering her over trade, NATO contributions and a pipeline delivering oil from Russia.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The president has repeatedly threatened Germany with auto tariffs, saying if companies like BMW and Mercedes wanted to sell cars in the U.S., they should build them in the country.

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Japan[/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump has often lamented the U.S.’s responsibility to defend Japan if attacked, saying the alliance between Washington and Tokyo is uneven.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]“If Japan is attacked, we will fight World War Three ... with our lives and with our treasure,” he said in June, adding that if the U.S. were attacked, “Japan doesn't have to help us at all” and “can watch it on the Sony television.”

[/FONT]
[FONT="]Mexico[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]President Trump has repeatedly torn into Mexico, slamming it on trade but focusing much of his ire on the country over immigration. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump has threatened America’s southern neighbor with tariffs over its alleged inaction in working to stem the flow of undocumented migrants in the U.S.

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Sweden[/FONT]
[FONT="]President Trump feuded with Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven last month after American rapper A$AP Rocky was detained in Sweden and charged with assault following a June incident in Stockholm.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]Trump, who learned of the case from first lady Melania Trump and had discussed it with Kanye West repeatedly asked Löfven to intervene, and expressed frustration with what he saw as a lack of progress.

[/FONT]
[FONT="]United Kingdom[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#2B2C30][FONT="]While Trump has bashed the United Kingdom over trade practices, threatening tariffs on one of the U.S.’s closest allies to rectify what he sees as an imbalance, he has directed much of his criticism toward the country’s handling of Brexit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Trump hammered former Prime Minister [URL="https://thehill.com/people/theresa-may"]Theresa May[/URL] over the U.K.’s break from the European Union, saying she did not take his advice. [/FONT]
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https://thehill.com/policy/internat...us-allies-that-have-been-in-trumps-crosshairs[/FONT]
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and? c/p doesnt cut it. I'm aware of all that -do you realize for ex. the tariff threat to Mexico got the caravnas stopped
 
anatta said:
many were not meeting the obligation, with no indication they would
This has been going on for a while ( dont feel like dong the research on the particulars)

2% was an Obama policy as well, except it was just talk
"money talks, bullshit walks"
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That was a meaningless and vapid post. Like the Iran nuke pact. It was going along as designed. Iran was not making nukes, Trump's withdrawal gave them permission to build them again. And thanks to Daffy, they are. What an accomplishment that was.
 
anatta said:
and? c/p doesnt cut it. I'm aware of all that -do you realize for ex. the tariff threat to Mexico got the caravnas stopped
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Stupid motherfucker, you denied Trump disrespected our allies.

I gave you ten examples.

You don't get to decide what cuts it, you use c/p constantly.

A real man not a worm would admit when they are wrong, worm.
 
Rune said:
Stupid motherfucker, you denied Trump disrespected our allies.

I gave you ten examples.

You don't get to decide what cuts it, you use c/p constantly.

A real man not a worm would admit when they are wrong, worm.
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rofl @ "disrespect".. dont worry Biden wont disrespect anyone he's a lackey for the EU/CCP
and the caravans will be trudging across the Mexican border again

but hey! no disrespect! LMAO
 
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