BORIS JOHNSON secretly offers to SELL UK HEALTH SERVICES to US comps

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Gee, I hadn't heard THIS ONE! This will go over well in BRITAIN, don't you think? And of course BORIS LIED about it. Except Parliament got the full readout of the talks. Too bad we can't get those here for our 'affairs'.

WORLD NEWS - REUTERS
NOVEMBER 27, 2019 / 5:29 AM / UPDATED 38 MINUTES AGO

Labour's Corbyn accuses Conservatives of offering up UK health service in U.S. talks

Kylie MacLellan, Elizabeth Piper
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LONDON (Reuters) - Opposition Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn offered on Wednesday what he described as evidence that access to Britain’s state-run health service was being discussed in trade talks with the United States, handing reporters hundreds of pages of documents.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has denied that the National Health Service (NHS) is on the table in talks, but Corbyn said he had copies of leaked documents called “UK-U.S. Trade and Investment Working Group full readout” suggesting otherwise.

The NHS, much loved in Britain, has become a key battleground before a Dec. 12 election, which Johnson called to try to break the deadlock in parliament over the country’s exit from the European Union.

Corbyn may also be keen to shift the narrative away from criticism on Tuesday over what Britain’s chief rabbi said was his failure to stem anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. [nL8N2861IN]

The governing Conservatives and Labour are offering very different visions for Britain, but both have pledged more funding for the NHS.

Corbyn, a veteran socialist, told a news conference he had 451 pages of unredacted documents summarising U.K.-U.S. talks and accused Johnson of plotting to sell off the NHS. All the documents are dated from before Johnson took power in July.

“So now we know, direct from the secret reports that they never wanted you to see - the U.S. is demanding that our NHS is on the table in negotiations for a toxic deal, it’s already been talked about in secret,” Corbyn said.

“That could lead to runaway privatisation of our health service. Mega corporations see Johnson’s alliance with (U.S. President Donald) Trump as a chance to make billions from the illness and sickness of people in this country.”

“These uncensored documents leave Boris Johnson’s denials in absolute tatters.”...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-uk-health-service-in-u-s-talks-idUSKBN1Y112P

 
You have to remember that we have an almost-entirely one-party press and media. Even the BBC is acting as an extension of Conservative Central Office. We can only hope the polls are lying - it seems extremely likely, given the complexity of opinion in various constituencies.
 
Penderyn said:
You have to remember that we have an almost-entirely one-party press and media. Even the BBC is acting as an extension of Conservative Central Office. We can only hope the polls are lying - it seems extremely likely, given the complexity of opinion in various constituencies.
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Only a deluded Marxist like the Welsh Windbag would consider the BBC to be aligned with the Tories. Laura Kuenssberg is telling the truth and the hard Lefties hate it!!
 
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Penderyn said:
You have to remember that we have an almost-entirely one-party press and media. Even the BBC is acting as an extension of Conservative Central Office. We can only hope the polls are lying - it seems extremely likely, given the complexity of opinion in various constituencies.
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Loony Central spouting bullshit as normal, bad enough when he does it about US politics but he's really out of his depth with UK politics.

Factcheck: Corbyn’s ‘NHS for sale’ claims,

Jeremy Corbyn claims he has the ‘proof’ that the NHS is at risk in a post-Brexit trade deal with the US. The Labour leader this morning called a press conference to reveal a series of leaked UK papers from trade talks with the US, which he said contained comprehensive evidence that the NHS was for sale to the Americans. But do Corbyn’s claims actually stack up with what the documents say? Mr S. examines the facts:

Drug patents

Labour claim:

‘Labour and experts said big US corporations want to force up the price our NHS pays for drugs as part of the toxic deal being negotiated with Trump. The Conservatives said this was nonsense. The documents show that we were right. In fact, negotiations have advanced even further than we feared they had. The US and UK have already finished initial discussion on lengthening patents for medicines.’

Reality:

In the US, pharmaceutical companies are allowed to extend their patents on drugs, when the patent approval process has been delayed by US officials. The patent extensions are for half a day for every day the US clinically examines the drugs, and one day for every day the FDA takes to grant market approval.

The US has lobbied for these extensions to apply in the UK, but in the trade documents, the UK clarified that as we have an ‘accelerated approval for patents’, the extensions are not really relevant here. These extensions would not normally apply to our drugs, as the UK approval process is faster. Elsewhere, the documents do not seem to support Labour’s claim that the US would somehow manage to jack up drug prices in Britain.

The NHS is on the table

Labour claim:

‘Labour has been warning that NHS services will also be on the table in trade talks for a sell-out deal with Trump… The Tories have denied it, but the documents show that on this occasion, Trump was right and so were we.

The new breed of trade deals are not only – or even mainly – about tariffs on goods at the border. They are also about services – including our health service. And these documents make clear that for the US, to quote page 41 of the third meeting report, “everything is included unless something is specifically excluded.” They want, I quote: “Total market access” as the “baseline assumption of the trade negotiations.” “Total market access.”’

Reality:

The part of the document Corbyn is quoting is a UK assessment of what the United States’ trade position will be in the talks. But Jeremy Corbyn appears to have helpfully left out the second part of the quote from the document which supposedly confirmed that NHS services were on the table in talks. The full sentence reads:

‘The NCM [US] approach makes total market access the baseline assumption of the trade negotiations and requires countries to identify exclusions, not the other way around’ (emphasis added).

In essence, the US starts off by presuming that everything is on the table in trade talks, but asks other countries to identify the services they want to exclude from the deal. The UK would presumably exclude the health service from the talks.

The UK did not ask for the NHS to be excluded

Jeremy Corbyn then claimed that UK officials had not demanded the NHS be excluded from the talks:

‘But surely you can’t believe that British officials would demand the NHS be excluded? Apparently not.

In fact, on behalf of the Conservative government, officials reassured their counterparts that “the US should expect the UK to be a liberalising influence” and that together they could “fly the good flag for services liberalisation.”’

Reality:

The quote Corbyn cites is actually from a different round of talks, in which the exclusion of the NHS has not actually been mentioned. The two parties are instead discussing the liberalisation of services in general. The documents do not appear to make any mention of the UK allowing the health service to be opened up in the trade talks.

Chlorine chicken

Labour claim:

‘How about chlorine-washed chicken on our dinner tables? Have a look at the second meeting, on page 42 and 43, where the US even agrees to share its “public lines” to help our government with its “media narratives.”’

Reality:

The document does say that the US offered to give the UK its public lines on chlorinated chicken, but does not say if the UK ever used them. Part of the ‘public lines’ appear to be attempts by US officials to make clear ‘that US poultry producers don’t use chlorine in their food processes.’

Climate change

Labour claim:

‘You might want to look at how Trump’s America absolutely refuses, absolutely refuses, to even mention climate change in the deal – see the second meeting, page 17.’

Reality:

The US does advise against inserting references to climate change in the deal. The documents say that their trade representatives are barred from putting greenhouse gas reductions in trade deals by Congress. This has nothing to do with Trump though. The US officials confirmed these laws have been in place since 2015, when Obama was in office.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/factcheck-corbyns-nhs-for-sale-claims/
 
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Havana Moon said:
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Loony Central spouting bullshit as normal, bad enough when he does it about US politics but he's really out of his depth with UK politics.

Factcheck: Corbyn’s ‘NHS for sale’ claims,

Jeremy Corbyn claims he has the ‘proof’ that the NHS is at risk in a post-Brexit trade deal with the US. The Labour leader this morning called a press conference to reveal a series of leaked UK papers from trade talks with the US, which he said contained comprehensive evidence that the NHS was for sale to the Americans. But do Corbyn’s claims actually stack up with what the documents say? Mr S. examines the facts:

Drug patents

Labour claim:

‘Labour and experts said big US corporations want to force up the price our NHS pays for drugs as part of the toxic deal being negotiated with Trump. The Conservatives said this was nonsense. The documents show that we were right. In fact, negotiations have advanced even further than we feared they had. The US and UK have already finished initial discussion on lengthening patents for medicines.’

Reality:

In the US, pharmaceutical companies are allowed to extend their patents on drugs, when the patent approval process has been delayed by US officials. The patent extensions are for half a day for every day the US clinically examines the drugs, and one day for every day the FDA takes to grant market approval.

The US has lobbied for these extensions to apply in the UK, but in the trade documents, the UK clarified that as we have an ‘accelerated approval for patents’, the extensions are not really relevant here. These extensions would not normally apply to our drugs, as the UK approval process is faster. Elsewhere, the documents do not seem to support Labour’s claim that the US would somehow manage to jack up drug prices in Britain.

The NHS is on the table

Labour claim:

‘Labour has been warning that NHS services will also be on the table in trade talks for a sell-out deal with Trump… The Tories have denied it, but the documents show that on this occasion, Trump was right and so were we.

The new breed of trade deals are not only – or even mainly – about tariffs on goods at the border. They are also about services – including our health service. And these documents make clear that for the US, to quote page 41 of the third meeting report, “everything is included unless something is specifically excluded.” They want, I quote: “Total market access” as the “baseline assumption of the trade negotiations.” “Total market access.”’

Reality:

The part of the document Corbyn is quoting is a UK assessment of what the United States’ trade position will be in the talks. But Jeremy Corbyn appears to have helpfully left out the second part of the quote from the document which supposedly confirmed that NHS services were on the table in talks. The full sentence reads:

‘The NCM [US] approach makes total market access the baseline assumption of the trade negotiations and requires countries to identify exclusions, not the other way around’ (emphasis added).

In essence, the US starts off by presuming that everything is on the table in trade talks, but asks other countries to identify the services they want to exclude from the deal. The UK would presumably exclude the health service from the talks.

The UK did not ask for the NHS to be excluded

Jeremy Corbyn then claimed that UK officials had not demanded the NHS be excluded from the talks:

‘But surely you can’t believe that British officials would demand the NHS be excluded? Apparently not.

In fact, on behalf of the Conservative government, officials reassured their counterparts that “the US should expect the UK to be a liberalising influence” and that together they could “fly the good flag for services liberalisation.”’

Reality:

The quote Corbyn cites is actually from a different round of talks, in which the exclusion of the NHS has not actually been mentioned. The two parties are instead discussing the liberalisation of services in general. The documents do not appear to make any mention of the UK allowing the health service to be opened up in the trade talks.

Chlorine chicken

Labour claim:

‘How about chlorine-washed chicken on our dinner tables? Have a look at the second meeting, on page 42 and 43, where the US even agrees to share its “public lines” to help our government with its “media narratives.”’

Reality:

The document does say that the US offered to give the UK its public lines on chlorinated chicken, but does not say if the UK ever used them. Part of the ‘public lines’ appear to be attempts by US officials to make clear ‘that US poultry producers don’t use chlorine in their food processes.’

Climate change

Labour claim:

‘You might want to look at how Trump’s America absolutely refuses, absolutely refuses, to even mention climate change in the deal – see the second meeting, page 17.’

Reality:

The US does advise against inserting references to climate change in the deal. The documents say that their trade representatives are barred from putting greenhouse gas reductions in trade deals by Congress. This has nothing to do with Trump though. The US officials confirmed these laws have been in place since 2015, when Obama was in office.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/factcheck-corbyns-nhs-for-sale-claims/
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Loony Central has fucked up, who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
 
BORIS JOHNSON secretly offers to SELL UK HEALTH SERVICES to US comps
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Yes- and the opposition caught him at it. Johnson is trying to deny that the dossier ever existed while trying to find the whistleblower at the same time.

Should be worth a few million vote-swings to Corbyn. He's been telling them that all along.


Poor old maggot. Just look at his word count !

Haw, haw.......................haw.
 
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moon said:
Yes- and the opposition caught him at it. Johnson is trying to deny that the dossier ever existed whole trying to find the whistleblower at the same time.

Should be worth a few million vote-swings to Corbyn. He's been telling them that all along.


Poor old maggot. Just look at his word count !

Haw, haw.......................haw.
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No they didn't that's just more lefty bollocks, you need to shut the fuck up about it!

Brexiteer makes stunning point as she explains why the US doesn't want to buy the NHS

AN AMERICAN Brexiteer claimed last night that no one actually wants to buy the NHS because it wouldn't be a “great investment” for a business.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...uestion-time-lionel-shriver-bbc-news-US-trump
 
Havana Moon said:
Only a deluded Marxist like the Welsh Windbag would consider the BBC to be aligned with the Tories. Laura Kuenssberg is telling the truth and the hard Lefties hate it!!
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From what I have seen of BBC America, it is the mirror-image of our far left PBS.
 
Earl said:
From what I have seen of BBC America, it is the mirror-image of our far left PBS.
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Too bad you don't watch PBS. REPEATEDLY, year over year and DECADE after DECADE, the most 'UN-biased' news source in America. Not to mention they don't yell at you, don't have ads and do in depth reporting.

You do understand what REPORTAGE is vs. programming?
 
Havana Moon said:
No they didn't that's just more lefty bollocks, you need to shut the fuck up about it!
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Your mob got caught red-handed by the opposition, maggot- and nobody is ever going to make them ' shut up about it ' , you old fascist asshole.
 
A few years ago I read an interview with the Koch bros. They were discussing healthcare. The reporter said how can you keep the American system when other nations like England are getting universal healthcare. One of them responded with "Don't worry about that, we are taking care of it". It was chilling. I did not believe they could do it this quickly.
 
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