You simply can't deal.
Capitol attack reflects US extremist evolution over decades
- Thread starter Diesel
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You simply can't deal.
Ah, I see you've met Lesion. He is JPP's #1 snitch and #1 troll as well. His head looks awesome mounted on your Wall of Ignore. lol
I'm gathering that. What a worthless human being.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Extremist is a useless word because it can apply to either side.
The path to success is stopping the wrong side in its tracks and going as extreme as you can toward the smart, moral side.
That's what the witless trumpanzees thought that they were doing.
Although they're useless slugs, at least they have the balls to go all out. Just no brains to go with them.
They even tried a fucking coup d'etat.
Now's the time to be more extreme than they in the opposite direction.
Moderation is for losers, and sadly, we're losing as a nation and a society.
The so called "middle" is an insane pipe dream.
The path to success is stopping the wrong side in its tracks and going as extreme as you can toward the smart, moral side.
That's what the witless trumpanzees thought that they were doing.
Although they're useless slugs, at least they have the balls to go all out. Just no brains to go with them.
They even tried a fucking coup d'etat.
Now's the time to be more extreme than they in the opposite direction.
Moderation is for losers, and sadly, we're losing as a nation and a society.
The so called "middle" is an insane pipe dream.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Diesel,
Agreed. Racism and white supremacy should not be tolerated, and has no place in respectful civil discourse. So how do we maintain that when we have internet and social media that allow these extremist hateful views outsized exposure?
I'll tell you what I like. And I think the power of this has been undervalued.
I like what the NFL did. Recall when Trump inserted his bull into the china shop of the racial discussion when the players began to follow Kaepernick's lead of kneeling for the anthem? Trump's response was brash and strong-headed: just fire them. But the NFL knew they need these guys and it would be really bad PR to fire them. So they were open to talks, discussion. A compromise was reached. The players stopped kneeling and the NFL began allowing players and stadiums to display messages of togetherness and awareness. The end zones and the backs of helmets now have messages like "Black Lives Matter," and "It takes all of us." Trump's wrong-headed lack of leadership failed. Compromise and respect prevailed. Nice.
I would like to see more of that all over society. Why not? What would it hurt to have these messages out there, everywhere? Cause people to think about this stuff more. If hateful jerks are going to get more exposure on media, that has to be countered with something, something just as much or more prevalent. I think we should do that with a lot of public spaces. Doors, walls, seating areas, public transportation, art. We put the messages of love out there and they will be seen and felt. Even some who say they are meaningless could be reached subconsciously in this way.
The government works for us, not them. They hate the government. But we can use it to our advantage. We can have messages of unity in public spaces.
Agreed. Racism and white supremacy should not be tolerated, and has no place in respectful civil discourse. So how do we maintain that when we have internet and social media that allow these extremist hateful views outsized exposure?
I'll tell you what I like. And I think the power of this has been undervalued.
I like what the NFL did. Recall when Trump inserted his bull into the china shop of the racial discussion when the players began to follow Kaepernick's lead of kneeling for the anthem? Trump's response was brash and strong-headed: just fire them. But the NFL knew they need these guys and it would be really bad PR to fire them. So they were open to talks, discussion. A compromise was reached. The players stopped kneeling and the NFL began allowing players and stadiums to display messages of togetherness and awareness. The end zones and the backs of helmets now have messages like "Black Lives Matter," and "It takes all of us." Trump's wrong-headed lack of leadership failed. Compromise and respect prevailed. Nice.
I would like to see more of that all over society. Why not? What would it hurt to have these messages out there, everywhere? Cause people to think about this stuff more. If hateful jerks are going to get more exposure on media, that has to be countered with something, something just as much or more prevalent. I think we should do that with a lot of public spaces. Doors, walls, seating areas, public transportation, art. We put the messages of love out there and they will be seen and felt. Even some who say they are meaningless could be reached subconsciously in this way.
The government works for us, not them. They hate the government. But we can use it to our advantage. We can have messages of unity in public spaces.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
"Unity messages" in public places constitute one possible approach.
Whether such makes an adequate alternative plan to the purge of 71,000,000 trumpanzees has not been determined.
Whether such makes an adequate alternative plan to the purge of 71,000,000 trumpanzees has not been determined.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
OK, all I did here was respond to your comment:
"... there’s good reason to question whatever intelligence they are using since it was apparently a little faulty with the supposed attacks that were supposed to happen at state Capitols.
They went 0-50 on that."
When you changed the subject under discussion it seemed like whataboutism to me. So now you want to talk about what you consider to be double standards. The NG were called out against night time violence which sometimes followed peaceful daytime BLM protests, which seemed to many of us to be overkill, but since the attack on our capitol and plans for more on social media planned for inauguration day prompted ramped up NG presence at capitols all over the country, you think that is a double standard.
I don't think so. I think:
When the NG was called out against the summer protesters, that only made things worse.
When the NG was called out against the threat of inaugural day violence, that made things better.
OK, all I did here was respond to your comment:
"... there’s good reason to question whatever intelligence they are using since it was apparently a little faulty with the supposed attacks that were supposed to happen at state Capitols.
They went 0-50 on that."
When you changed the subject under discussion it seemed like whataboutism to me. So now you want to talk about what you consider to be double standards. The NG were called out against night time violence which sometimes followed peaceful daytime BLM protests, which seemed to many of us to be overkill, but since the attack on our capitol and plans for more on social media planned for inauguration day prompted ramped up NG presence at capitols all over the country, you think that is a double standard.
I don't think so. I think:
When the NG was called out against the summer protesters, that only made things worse.
When the NG was called out against the threat of inaugural day violence, that made things better.
That's all fine and good. I think positive messages should be spread far and wide across every platform. That still doesn't address that Trumpists don't operate in reality, but I appreciate your sincerity.
Ad hominems?
Yes, an ad hominem. You are a piece of shit. The world would be better if you weren't in it.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth Omar,
Failure to address the other during a discussion of the one is not 'pretending the other never happened.'
Failure to address the other during a discussion of the one is not 'pretending the other never happened.'
Naturally, you also "think" that you are the arbiter of what "positive" means; am I right?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
Sorry, man. It was an accurate assessment.
It's like chasing a moving target to try to keep up with the subject if it gets changed as soon as one participant reaches an impasse.
Oh, first we are talking about this.
Oh, no, I don't like this any more, now let's talk about that.
Musical subjects!
Sorry, man. It was an accurate assessment.
It's like chasing a moving target to try to keep up with the subject if it gets changed as soon as one participant reaches an impasse.
Oh, first we are talking about this.
Oh, no, I don't like this any more, now let's talk about that.
Musical subjects!
Can you offer any verifiable data to support such a "thought"?
I'll understand if you can't, naturally.
It did?
How so?
If I carry a talisman to repel crocodile attacks and none occurs, does that prove the talisman worked?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Diesel,
'The Trumpists' is a moving figure. I think there are fewer of them now than there were before. If that trend continues, and there is every reason to hope that it will, then eventually they will be insignificant. I'm sure some will take it to the grave. Others will give it up in their own time. You know there are fragile egos in the balance. If they just come right out and say they messed up it makes everything they stood for for 5 years valueless. That's not easy to face. Give them time. Let them ease into it at their own pace.
'The Trumpists' is a moving figure. I think there are fewer of them now than there were before. If that trend continues, and there is every reason to hope that it will, then eventually they will be insignificant. I'm sure some will take it to the grave. Others will give it up in their own time. You know there are fragile egos in the balance. If they just come right out and say they messed up it makes everything they stood for for 5 years valueless. That's not easy to face. Give them time. Let them ease into it at their own pace.
I do not. And you are wrong. As always. Perpetually.
Nah, I'm good. Like I said, I appreciate your optimism, but I don't share it. Those people are gone.