Democratic Socialist Demands Free Housing

[Libhater]

Acknowledge whatever you want.

It must still be torture to be you.

Torture? The current example of someone living a tortured life would of course be someone who is registered as a democrat and votes the democrat/socialist/Marxist anti American ticket.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Torture?

Yup. It must be absolute TORTURE to be you.

The current example of someone living a tortured life would of course be someone who is registered as a democrat and votes the democrat/socialist/Marxist anti American ticket.

You certainly are free to think that. But that kind of thinking...and the enormous amount of scorn, contempt, and hatred it engenders in you...is the reason I mention that IT MUST BE TORTURE TO BE YOU.

 

[Libhater]

Yup. It must be absolute TORTURE to be you.




You certainly are free to think that. But that kind of thinking...and the enormous amount of scorn, contempt, and hatred it engenders in you...is the reason I mention that IT MUST BE TORTURE TO BE YOU.

There is no scorn or contempt in me, but there sure is hatred in me for everything the dems do to destroy and undermine the American dream, and the safety of we Americans.

 

[Ross Dolan]

There is no scorn or contempt in me, but there sure is hatred in me for everything the dems do to destroy and undermine the American dream, and the safety of we Americans.

Can't help you with your irrational hatred of them...I am not a Democrat.

As an outsider, I suggest that most of the damage being done to America (the American dream sounds a bit dramatic)...is being done by people like you on the right. Always has been that way. The American right has been on the wrong side of American history in most of its major conflicts. During Revolutionary days, the American conservatives were the ones saying that we all owed fealty to George III and that people like the Founding Fathers were traitors. They called themselves "Tories"...Brit speak for "conservatives."

During the Civil War, American conservatives were the rebels and slave owners. During WWI, American conservatives were "let them kill each other, we stay out" people. Even during WWII, there were a number of American conservatives who were enamored of Hitler.

So perhaps you should channel your scorn, contempt, and hatred in the opposite direction.

(To suggest you have no scorn or contempt considering the stuff you post...is an absurdity.)

 

[countryboy]

It certainly is what you implied. You implied that EVERY PERSON in the United States except those who pay no taxes...ARE SLAVES.

I said no such thing.

I am not a liberal...so tell that to people who do identify as liberals. I disagree with it completely, but let them deal with it.

Lib, leftist, commie, it makes no difference.

In light of that thought, though, a comment about MAGA morons seems appropriate. Never in the 2 1/2 centuries of our country's history has there ever been a more moronic, short-sighted, dishonest, deflective bunch of assholes pretending to be a reasonable political movement.

Lol. TDS addled ravings.

My claim was, "Basic needs like food, clothing, shelter, education and healthcare ARE human rights...and in a country as wealthy as ours, should be guaranteed for EVERY individual."

I know what your idiotic claim was. You are wrong. Nobody has any claim to another person's labor. That's slavery. Now, if people freely choose to help those in need, that's perfectly fine, and good. But that's a different issue.

I stand by that claim.

Of course you do, your an idiot.

You are essentially asking, if that is so, what gives a person the right to someone else's labor?

You might just as well ask, "If that is so, what gives a person the right to require we all wear orange tee shirts."

Yep, a blithering idiot. But I knew you would dodge the question.

Can you honestly not see the disconnect, Boy? Your question is a non-sequitur.

You obviously have no ideas what that term means.

Arrange what you want to know in some sort of logical, coherent way and I will attempt to deal with it. (I'll use as many short words as possible...and throw in a few pictures if reasonable.

I asked a simple question, and you cannot, or (more likely) WILL not.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I said no such thing.

I did not say you said it. I said you implied it...and you did.

Lib, leftist, commie, it makes no difference.

Certainly not to someone as simple-minded as you.

Lol. TDS addled ravings.

Only MAGA morons suppose that.

I know what your idiotic claim was. You are wrong. Nobody has any claim to another person's labor. That's slavery. Now, if people freely choose to help those in need, that's perfectly fine, and good. But that's a different issue.

There you go again. Implying that everyone who pays taxes are slaves.

Get over it, Boy.

Of course you do, your an idiot.

"YOUR an idiot?"

Fucking moron. The word you were looking for is "you're."

Yep, a blithering idiot. But I knew you would dodge the question.

Rephrase the question (if you are able) to make sense. The question you asked does not.

You obviously have no ideas what that term means.

You honestly do not know how to write coherently. What "term?" There were two terms there, Boy.

I asked a simple question, and you cannot, or (more likely) WILL not.

You asked a question that made no sense the way you asked it. Ask it coherently.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That is an answer...and I am not responsible if you are too stupid to realize that. Go get educated and then come back. Maybe then you can discuss things intelligently.


What you want, T. A. is to have lazy, non-productive people be part of our productivity force. You said so. Own your bullshit. No need to be like Trump with that kind of nonsense.


Yup. You want those lazy, non-productive people to be part of our work-force. That is what I said.


Already asked...already answered.

Okay, if we don't want them to work, why bother to keep them around at all, at least the able bodied ones? I can cut some slack for someone who has a handicap or is otherwise unable to fully work or can't work, but being lazy and stupid? Let's get rid of them one way or another. They are just a drain on society.

I can understand and give compassion to those truly unable to work through no fault of their own. But those that are unwilling but otherwise capable? No reason to keep them as part of society.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Okay, if we don't want them to work, why bother to keep them around at all, at least the able bodied ones? I can cut some slack for someone who has a handicap or is otherwise unable to fully work or can't work, but being lazy and stupid? Let's get rid of them one way or another.

I figured you would make allowances for those who are UNABLE to work, T.A.. I suspect most people will do that. Even in our most primitive times, some cared for people who were unable to provide for themselves.

But for the lazy and incompetent, how to "get rid of them one way or the another?"

That can become a rather barbaric slope...as I suspect you recognized.

Talk to me about that.

They are just a drain on society.

May I respectfully suggest they may not be a drain on society, but may provide the need for a transformation much needed right now.

They may allow us to see that we will soon (may already have) reached a point where it makes no sense to pay enough humans a living wage so that everyone can live adequately without having to "earn" that living.

We can, of course, just kill those people who are lazy...or who are not competent enough to compete reasonably with computers and robots. Essentially, just put them out on an ice floe.

BUT, there may come a time, relatively soon, where the numbers of people we will have to "get rid of' will be significant.
(That time is right now. We already have way too many people who are not able to compete successfully with machines.)

We can talk about that here in our discussion.

I can understand and give compassion to those truly unable to work through no fault of their own. But those that are unwilling but otherwise capable? No reason to keep them as part of society.

Okay...let's start with the question of how we resolve that problem.

Just kill 'em?

Perhaps have them dig holes with a shovel for 6 hours a day...and spend 2 hours filling them in...5 days a week, fifty weeks a year?

Others may want to join in this discussion about how to rid society of them?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I figured you would make allowances for those who are UNABLE to work, T.A.. I suspect most people will do that. Even in our most primitive times, some cared for people who were unable to provide for themselves.

But for the lazy and incompetent, how to "get rid of them one way or the another?"

I'd start by far more serious 'means testing' for any sort of government aid. Then I'd offer--even if they're government subsidized--them simple, manual labor jobs anyone could do no matter how stupid that involve hard work. Turn it down, and you get no government assistance of any kind.

Next, make public camping on sidewalks, squatting, etc., a low-level felony for first offense.

Next, if you are on welfare of any kind, you are expected to take classes to get a GED (if you don't have one), then basic skills classes, then trade classes and you will pass them with sufficient levels of proof that you actually learned the material or you get nothing.

If a person won't work with any of this, they go to prison and work there.

That can become a rather barbaric slope...as I suspect you recognized.

Talk to me about that.



May I respectfully suggest they may not be a drain on society, but may provide the need for a transformation much needed right now.

They may allow us to see that we will soon (may already have) reached a point where it makes no sense to pay enough humans a living wage so that everyone can live adequately without having to "earn" that living.

We can, of course, just kill those people who are lazy...or who are not competent enough to compete reasonably with computers and robots. Essentially, just put them out on an ice floe.

BUT, there may come a time, relatively soon, where the numbers of people we will have to "get rid of' will be significant.
(That time is right now. We already have way too many people who are not able to compete successfully with machines.)

We can talk about that here in our discussion.

Okay...let's start with the question of how we resolve that problem.

Just kill 'em?

Perhaps have them dig holes with a shovel for 6 hours a day...and spend 2 hours filling them in...5 days a week, fifty weeks a year?

Others may want to join in this discussion about how to rid society of them?

I'd be fine with them being put in labor units, given shovels and such to do some endless, mindless, task that in years will have actual purpose. Their lives would be heavily regimented, they'd be fed inexpensive, boring food two or three times a day, but they'd work. Refusal and you go to prison to work there.

Most lazy would simply go with the flow to avoid the hassle. That's been true for like forever.

One thing is certain, paying them to do nothing is not an answer.

 

[Ross Dolan]

THINGS THAT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE QUESTION ABOVE:

People who inherit money and do nothing to contribute...is that okay?

People who marry into it and do nothing to contribute...is that okay?

People able to grift others into giving money to them and do nothing to contribute...is that okay?

How do we set a standard for what "contributing" means?

Do female and male prostitutes "contribute" enough and in a way that makes them okay?

I'd start by far more serious 'means testing' for any sort of government aid. Then I'd offer--even if they're government subsidized--them simple, manual labor jobs anyone could do no matter how stupid that involve hard work. Turn it down, and you get no government assistance of any kind.

So it would be okay with you to have our government essentially condemn people to starve or freeze to death? You would not consider that too barbaric?

Okay, that is certainly a stance to be advocated...one that I would vigorously opose...one I would vote against if advocated by a political party. But I accept there are others (who may be a majority) would would vote for it. I would vote for euthanasia rather than that.

Next, make public camping on sidewalks, squatting, etc., a low-level felony for first offense.

Okay, also a stance to be advocated...and my reply would be the same as above. Essentially that would be condemning people to starve or freeze to death...and I would prefer euthanasia to that.

Next, if you are on welfare of any kind, you are expected to take classes to get a GED (if you don't have one), then basic skills classes, then trade classes and you will pass them with sufficient levels of proof that you actually learned the material or you get nothing.

If a person won't work with any of this, they go to prison and work there.

I know of people who would never be able to obtain a GED certificate. By the way, I did not graduate from high school (quit in my senior year to join the Air Force...and earned a GED equivalence while in service. I have since graduated from college with a BA in Economics and Philosophy...and done all the work for an MA in Industrial psychology but never completed the dissertation.)

I would not want to put people into prison for being stupid...or lazy.

I'd be fine with them being put in labor units, given shovels and such to do some endless, mindless, task that in years will have actual purpose. Their lives would be heavily regimented, they'd be fed inexpensive, boring food two or three times a day, but they'd work. Refusal and you go to prison to work there.

Okay, if doing mindless work like digging holes and filling them in is something you would vote for...I understand. I would never do so.

Most lazy would simply go with the flow to avoid the hassle. That's been true for like forever.

Most lazy people end up harming productivity no matter what. That also has been true for a very long time.

One thing is certain, paying them to do nothing is not an answer.

Well, I am not sure we would "pay: them (get them food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and a few amenities) to do nothing. We would be "paying" them for doing the one thing they are good at...staying the hell out of the way. Not harming productivity.

But I understand people like you who might not agree with that.

Thanks for discussing this with me, T. A.. It is a complex, potentially fraught problem.

Question, if I may: Do you see that having EVERYONE work might cause productivity problems because in order to provide jobs for humans...we might have to take jobs away from much more productive machines? Any thoughts on that?

 

[Uncensored2008]

‘Squad’ Member Ayanna Pressley: ‘Eviction Is an Act of Violence,’ ‘Housing Is a Human Right’​

Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) says that her “HELP Act would give a lifeline to families facing eviction and vital resources during this time of crisis,” arguing that “housing is a human right” and that “evictions are an act of policy violence.”

‘Squad’ Member Ayanna Pressley Calls Eviction ' Act of Violence'

Rep. Ayanna Pressley says her HELP Act would give families facing eviction legal resources, arguing that “housing is a human right.”

www.breitbart.com

The democrat plan.

Drive housing prices into the stratosphere to create a "crisis."

Nationalize housing and outlaw private property ownership.

Marx explained all of this nearly 200 years ago. The democrats are following a script.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Breitbart, which is a moron's publiction.

Is that your expert opinion as a moron?

But no, stooge - Breitbart is one of the few reliable sources of honest and accurate information.

Get back to watching CCP NOW! - you need to know what you "think" about issues.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's all about what is eating her brain.

Whatever that is, it's starving to death...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Basic needs like food, clothing, shelter, education and healthcare ARE human rights...and in a country as wealthy as ours, should be guaranteed for EVERY individual.

And ponies.

Ponies are a human right too.

Time to grow up frankie, Communism doesn't work and is immoral.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Communism doesn't work, Doofan.

And is despicably immoral. Ross / frankie want to enslave others to give him everything free.

The slaves eventually object and Communism fails - every single time.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am left...far left...not right.

You're also delusional.

The only way to achieve your dream is to put half the population in chains and drive them by whips to serve the other half.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I understand that you do not think. But...you are a MAGA moron, so it figures.


We have a legislature that sets the figures for what each of us pays.

If you want to disregard that...fine with me. But you could end up in prison...although that happens infrequently.


Wake up, gfm. The government will require you to pay what they consider your fair share.

If you want to argue with them and tell them not to force you to do so...fine with me. But as I mentioned earlier, you could end up in prison if you do.

Why should you get a share of what I've created and worked for?