Did Russian Interference Affect the 2016 Election Results?

[LV426]

How do you know those 100,000 votes were not influenced by propaganda and social media posts by American sources?

If you read Mueller's report -which you still haven't done because...why?- you'd know that the social media posts were from Russia, and then disseminated by hapless, stupid Americans, or dummy Russian accounts, on social media.

Again, this is covered in Volume I of Mueller's report which you refuse to read for some reason.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Dumbest bullshit posted today. Yay you! Let's get ONE thing correct lamb chops; you don't THINK. You EMOTE. You've never been right. Do you even have the intelligence to comprehend that and be embarrassed?

Yes, I was right not to vote for Donald Trump- a total racist, thief, cheater, liar, sexual abuser, and idiot!

You are the one who is never right!

And you are the idiot who voted for an idiot!

So fuck off idiot!

 

[LV426]

What propaganda determined how you voted? Maybe anti-Trump propaganda determined how you voted.

Stop trying to be a sophist.

You said yourself, in literally the last post, that propaganda is effective at changing people's minds, but only "a small percentage".

THAT claim itself is bullshit, of course, because you didn't source it or back it up. What you did instead was substitute your bullshit judgment and poor instincts as a fact. But it's not a fact. It's bad faith because it's you trying to pass off your shitty judgment for conventional wisdom.

From where did you get the idea that propaganda is only effective among "a small percentage of voters"?

You made that assertion, so now you have to back it up because it is the keystone to your entire argument.

 

[LV426]

The scientific studies are years of political science research showing most people vote their party affiliation and the independent and weak partisans make their decisions later and are more likely to be influenced by campaign advertising.

So then it is entirely possible that Russia influenced 100,000 people across three states it knew to target, isn't it?

You said yourself that a "small percentage of voters" are easily influenced and swayed, but then you stop short of saying at least 100,000 in three states were because if you did say it, then you'd have to admit Russian propaganda rigged the election by influencing at least 100,000 voters across three key states.

So why are you arguing with me? Are you trying to say that those 100,000 people across those three states didn't have their minds changed by the Russian propaganda that was targeting them?

All of this is covered in Volume I of Mueller's report, so why haven't you read it?

 

[LV426]

You will say and believe anything if it meets your preconceived prejudices.

That is literally what you are doing here, Flash.

You're posting all this vague bullshit, unsourced, and making wild claims without defending them.

You're substituting your shit judgment for conventional wisdom.

You say propaganda doesn't work...
...then you say it does...
...then you say it only works on a few people...
...then you say it didn't on those in the three states Trump won by 100,000 that Russia also targeted with its propaganda.

So your argument doesn't make much sense.

 

[LV426]

I am the only one of us being honest.

Sophistry is not honesty.

Posting poor judgment as a substitute for conventional wisdom is not honesty.

Not sourcing your claims is not honesty.

You haven't acted in good faith this entire thread.

 

[LV426]

I admit we have no clue whether any votes were affected by Russian interference..

We do have a clue...that's what Volume I of Mueller's report, that you still haven't read, is all about.

The reason you don't have a clue is because you are making a choice not to.

That's laziness.

We knew five years ago you would believe they did because it fits your beliefs determined by your ideology and party.

WTF are you talking about? Mueller's report details exactly what Russia did, what methods they undertook, and how effective it was.

You're just being willfully ignorant because it's easy and you're lazy.

 

[Flash]

Much was said about the exit polls being so wrong in 2016.

Mostly, that they have always been accurate in every election previous to 2016.

I believe the exit polls were not in error in 2016.

I believe either many many Democrats votes were tampered with and manipulated, or thrown away, and hidden in 2016- in several states. States like Florida, Ohio, and Wisconsin!

That explains the exit polls not being accurate!

In fact, it points to the Republicans cheating in the election- through Russia's or Domestic Hackers helping the Republicans.

And we already know they did that!

You sound just like the Republicans. Trump said there were 3 million illegal Hillary voters. You claim Republican cheating. Neither has anything to support it.

It is not true all the exit polls were accurate previously. In 2004 Democrats claimed cheating because the exit polls showed Kerry winning Ohio. They claimed cheating (some Republican owned the voting machine company). In reality, the exit polls oversampled females who are more Democratic.

Even in 2016 the pre-election polls were pretty accurate. They showed 46% Clinton and 44% Trump. The final election outcome was 48% to 46%. The polls do not predict the winner but show the popular vote choices of a national sample. Those who used the polls to "predict" a Clinton win were using the poll results to make their predictions--it was not the fault of the pollsters how others used their data.

 

[Flash]

I didn't vote for Trump because he's a fucking idiot, moron, liar, and a racist.

And because you always vote Democratic for president?

 

[LV426]

You sound just like the Republicans. Trump said there were 3 million illegal Hillary voters. You claim Republican cheating. Neither has anything to support it.

WTF are you talking about? Republicans cheat all the time.

Right now, they just lost a court battle in Georgia because of the cheating way they ran the election here.

Republicans got caught cheating in NC-9, which is why there is a special election next month.

FFS, you're so fucking lazy.

 

[LV426]

And because you always vote Democratic for president?

Well, once the Republicans stop nominating idiots, morons, liars, Nazis, and/or racists, I might broaden out who I consider voting for.

 

[Flash]

We do have a clue...that's what Volume I of Mueller's report, that you still haven't read, is all about.

The reason you don't have a clue is because you are making a choice not to.

That's laziness.




WTF are you talking about? Mueller's report details exactly what Russia did, what methods they undertook, and how effective it was.

You're just being willfully ignorant because it's easy and you're lazy.

Cite the sentence where he said it changed the votes of some Americans.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

You sound just like the Republicans. Trump said there were 3 million illegal Hillary voters. You claim Republican cheating. Neither has anything to support it.

It is not true all the exit polls were accurate previously. In 2004 Democrats claimed cheating because the exit polls showed Kerry winning Ohio. They claimed cheating (some Republican owned the voting machine company). In reality, the exit polls oversampled females who are more Democratic.

Even in 2016 the pre-election polls were pretty accurate. They showed 46% Clinton and 44% Trump. The final election outcome was 48% to 46%. The polls do not predict the winner but show the popular vote choices of a national sample. Those who used the polls to "predict" a Clinton win were using the poll results to make their predictions--it was not the fault of the pollsters how others used their data.

I would have loved to be able to prove my point- had the three states mentioned performed a paper ballot recount.

But, the Republican governors of those states refused to do the recount in 2016- raising even more suspicion of manipulations and cheating!

If you don't have anything to hide- YOU RECOUNT!

 

[LV426]

Cite the sentence where he said it changed the votes of some Americans.

YOU SAID IT INFLUENCES PEOPLE.

Did you forget you said that?

You said propaganda only works "on a small percentage of voters".

First of all, from where are you getting that assertion?

Secondly, you are the one who said propaganda works. You admitted it.

Mueller's report detailed the propaganda efforts, what it entailed, and what it encompassed.

You literally said propaganda works "a small percentage of voters".

Would 100,000 voters be "a small percentage of voters"?

 

[Flash]

WTF are you talking about? Republicans cheat all the time.

Right now, they just lost a court battle in Georgia because of the cheating way they ran the election here.

Republicans got caught cheating in NC-9, which is why there is a special election next month.

FFS, you're so fucking lazy.

Why don't you list the time Democrats have been caught cheating? The votes in South Texas sold for alcohol and drugs which people were convicted for.

You are still being duped into the good party vs. bad party dichotomy designed to appeal to those people who see everything in black and white.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yes, I was right not to vote for Donald Trump- a total racist, thief, cheater, liar, sexual abuser, and idiot!

First off he is none of those things no matter how many times you stupidly bloviate them.

Secondly; you voted for the LOSER. A lying, corrupt political hack. Anyone with a brain would be embarrassed. But you lack the intelligence and good common sense to know you should be or when to shut the fuck up.

You are the one who is never right!

Really? When have I been wrong shit-for-brains. I have documented your stupidity. Let's see you prove I have been wrong. I'll understand if you run away like the whiny, dumb little vagina we know you to be.

And you are the idiot who voted for an idiot!

Wrong; I am the winner that voted for the winner. You, you're still a low IQ, whiny, ignorant, lying little leftist lowlife desperately flailing your way through life in your pathetic existence. You're a nobody. You can't afford my zip code snowflake.

So fuck off idiot!

Nah; I think I will continue pointing at you, laughing and making you look like the pathetic dumb fuck that you are.

 

[LV426]

Cite the sentence where he said it changed the votes of some Americans.

There is literally an entire section of Volume I dedicated just to the active measures Russia took on Facebook and how it managed to influence and manipulate hapless idiots into doing things like sharing those memes, attending fake rallies and events, and trolling.

From Mueller's report:

IRA employees posted derogatory information about a number of candidates in the 2016
U.S. presidential election. By early to mid-2016, IRA operations included supporting the Trump
Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton. The IRA made various expenditures to carry
out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S.
persons and entities. Some IRA employees, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their
Russian association, communicated electronically with individuals associated with the Trump
Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities, including the
staging of political rallies.

 

[Truth Detector]

I would have loved to be able to prove my point- had the three states mentioned performed a paper ballot recount.

But, the Republican governors of those states refused to do the recount in 2016- raising even more suspicion of manipulations and cheating!

If you don't have anything to hide- YOU RECOUNT!

^^Still stuck on moron.

 

[Flash]

YOU SAID IT INFLUENCES PEOPLE.

Did you forget you said that?

You said propaganda only works "on a small percentage of voters".

First of all, from where are you getting that assertion?

Secondly, you are the one who said propaganda works. You admitted it.

Mueller's report detailed the propaganda efforts, what it entailed, and what it encompassed.

You literally said propaganda works "a small percentage of voters".

Would 100,000 voters be "a small percentage of voters"?

Actually, what I said was that campaign efforts are aimed at the relatively small percentage of voters who are undecided.

 

[Truth Detector]

There is literally an entire section of Volume I dedicated just to the active measures Russia took on Facebook and how it managed to influence and manipulate hapless idiots into doing things like sharing those memes, attending fake rallies and events, and trolling.

From Mueller's report:

Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.