Because this isn't bothsiderism.
Which votes? How come you never source anything?
The party that nominates Nazis is just as bad as the party that doesn't?
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Did Russian Interference Affect the 2016 Election Results?
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Because this isn't bothsiderism.
Which votes? How come you never source anything?
The party that nominates Nazis is just as bad as the party that doesn't?
Actually, what I said was that campaign efforts are aimed at the relatively small percentage of voters who are undecided.
Right, so they are people who were swayed by propaganda to vote for Trump. And it was a small percentage of voters in three key states that tipped the balance, was it not?
And again, you keep making this assertion but you never support it with anything.
So I think it's bullshit. Everything you are saying is bullshit because you don't want to admit that both sides aren't the same.
Mueller is garbage. it's a hackneyed partisan hit piece by Andrew Weissmann who couldn't find Russian collusion so he hyped beyond all limits Russian interferenceLOL!
Who said that?!
Not Mueller.
Just like he hyped obstruction that never was any obstruction.
DOJ Attorney Says Russian Government Had Nothing To Do With Troll Farms
https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/11/doj-attorney-says-russian-government-nothing-troll-farms/
newly released transcript reveals details of a humiliating hearing that took place the day before Mueller’s puzzling press conference. The judge asked the prosecutor,
“Can you address also the specific tie to the Russian government, which is the overarching comment that the attorney general made tying both this case and then the case involving the hacking and the release of the e-mails, the GRU case, to the Russian government?”
Buckle up, buttercup, because you’re not going to believe DOJ’s response: “The report doesn’t say that.” What? I thought we “knew” that the Russian government committed an act of war by posting politically charged information on the internet. Now the DOJ is backing away from any tie between the internet troll farm and the Russian government?
The DOJ has now admitted that the Mueller report “itself does not state anywhere that the Russian government was behind the Internet Research Agency [and Concord] activity.” Whoa. The judge then asked, “So it is the government’s position that tying Concord and its co-defendants to the Russian government is not prejudicial?”
By attributing [the conduct] to ‘Russia’-as opposed to Russian individuals or entities—the report suggests that [Concord’s internet activities] were undertaken on behalf of, if not at the direction of the Russian government,” she wrote. Remember, the government has now denied in court that it even alleged Concord worked for the Russian government to post political messages on the internet.
Actually, what I said was that campaign efforts are aimed at the relatively small percentage of voters who are undecided.
"Campaign" and "propaganda" are interchangeable.
Would 100,000 voters qualify as a "small percentage of voters"?
Do you not believe there were 100,000 undecided voters across PA, MI, and WI in 2016 whose minds could have been influenced by Russian propaganda on social media?
Mueller is garbage
No. Mueller is distinguished...you're a garbage troll on the internet.
You can take your Federalist propaganda site, and shove it.
You didn't even read Mueller's report; that's how much of a coward you are.
There is literally an entire section of Volume I dedicated just to the active measures Russia took on Facebook and how it managed to influence and manipulate hapless idiots into doing things like sharing those memes, attending fake rallies and events, and trolling.
From Mueller's report:
IRA employees posted derogatory information about a number of candidates in the 2016
U.S. presidential election. By early to mid-2016, IRA operations included supporting the Trump
Campaign and disparaging candidate Hillary Clinton. The IRA made various expenditures to carry
out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S.
persons and entities. Some IRA employees, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their
Russian association, communicated electronically with individuals associated with the Trump
Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities, including the
staging of political rallies.
I don't see anything in there giving evidence any votes were changed---simply listing the efforts to influence the election.
They obviously did not get you to change your vote to Trump, so why do you think it convinced others to do so? All the Trump voters would say you are an idiot to be persuaded to vote for Hillary--the very same thing you are saying.
As mentioned the Mueller report is trash. what "plenty of ties" do you see? all I see is baseless assertions that his prior linguist training in Russia is "extensive ties"Nonsense. He had plenty of active ties to Russia, and all of that came out in his court case and in the Mueller report that you still haven't read.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/robert-mueller-kilimnik-ukraine-russia-manafort.html
In August of 2016, Mr. Kilimnik was formally investigated in Ukraine on suspicion of ties to Russian spy agencies, according to documents from Parliament and the Prosecutor General’s Office, but no charges were filed.
“I do not want to be part of the U.S. political games and I am not,” Mr. Kilimnik wrote in an email last year. “I am simply a random casualty because of my proximity to Paul,” he said, referring to Mr. Manafort.
Asked in the interview about the allegation of ties to Russian intelligence agencies, Mr. Kilimnik said, “I vehemently deny it.”
fuck off you dishonest hack.No. Mueller is distinguished...you're a garbage troll on the internet.
You can take your Federalist propaganda site, and shove it.
You didn't even read Mueller's report; that's how much of a coward you are.
once again you fail to address the gist of my post that the IRAgency was not a Kremlin operation in favor of the same old crap "read the Mueller report" which I have already shown was a hack job by Weissmann
I don't see anything in there giving evidence any votes were changed---simply listing the efforts to influence the election.
Influencing the election = changing votes.
You literally said before that propaganda works on "a small percentage of voters".
How does it "work"?
They obviously did not get you to change your vote to Drumpf
Right, because I'm not a racist idiot and I can tell when someone is lying to me on the internet.
so why do you think it convinced others to do so?
Because they are stupid, mindless idiots.
All the Drumpf voters would say you are an idiot to be persuaded to vote for Hillary--the very same thing you are saying.
Well, I didn't share or disseminate Russian propaganda on Facebook, so I don't know what to tell you.
take that Mueller/Weissmann report and wrap fish with it -get something worthwhile out of it
Key figure that Mueller report linked to Russia was a State Department intel source
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...eport-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department
In a key finding of the Mueller report, Ukrainian businessman Konstantin Kilimnik, who worked for Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, is tied to Russian intelligence.
But hundreds of pages of government documents — which special counsel Robert Mueller possessed since 2018 — describe Kilimnik as a “sensitive” intelligence source for the U.S. State Department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters
Why Mueller’s team omitted that part of the Kilimnik narrative from its report and related court filings is not known. But the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Mueller’s Russia conclusions face increased scrutiny.
The incomplete portrayal of Kilimnik is so important to Mueller’s overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report. “The FBI assesses” Kilimnik “to have ties to Russian intelligence,” Mueller’s team wrote on Page 6, putting a sinister light on every contact Kilimnik had with Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman.
What it doesn’t state is that Kilimnik was a “sensitive” intelligence source for State going back to at least 2013 while he was still working for Manafort, according to FBI and State Department memos I reviewed.
Key figure that Mueller report linked to Russia was a State Department intel source
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...eport-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department
In a key finding of the Mueller report, Ukrainian businessman Konstantin Kilimnik, who worked for Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, is tied to Russian intelligence.
But hundreds of pages of government documents — which special counsel Robert Mueller possessed since 2018 — describe Kilimnik as a “sensitive” intelligence source for the U.S. State Department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters
Why Mueller’s team omitted that part of the Kilimnik narrative from its report and related court filings is not known. But the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Mueller’s Russia conclusions face increased scrutiny.
The incomplete portrayal of Kilimnik is so important to Mueller’s overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report. “The FBI assesses” Kilimnik “to have ties to Russian intelligence,” Mueller’s team wrote on Page 6, putting a sinister light on every contact Kilimnik had with Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman.
What it doesn’t state is that Kilimnik was a “sensitive” intelligence source for State going back to at least 2013 while he was still working for Manafort, according to FBI and State Department memos I reviewed.
"Campaign" and "propaganda" are interchangeable.
Would 100,000 voters qualify as a "small percentage of voters"?
Do you not believe there were 100,000 undecided voters across PA, MI, and WI in 2016 whose minds could have been influenced by Russian propaganda on social media?
Sure, and their votes could also have been influenced to vote for Hillary or third party. Whose propaganda influenced more people to vote for Stein or Sanders? Russian interference also sought to help them, also.
Russians also interfered in the 2018 election and the U. S. has brought prosecutions. If people were influenced to vote for Trump in 2016 they must have been influenced to vote for Democrats in 2018 since they won.
As mentioned the Mueller report is trash.
Right...it's trash because it won't indulge your fantasy.
fuck off you dishonest hack.
You didn't even read the Mueller report, and you're literally sharing hack jobs about it.
once again you fail to address the gist of my post that the IRAgency was not a Kremlin operation
Of course it's a Kremlin operation! Who funds it, then? One of Putin's Oligarch friends.
HA HA HA.You didn't even read the Mueller report, and you're literally sharing hack jobs about it.
I've shown the Mueller report is a political hack job. the fact you cling to "read the report"and are unable to refute my sources/claims shows you a re a worthless hack as well as Mueller.
IOWs a giant waste of time
“By attributing [the conduct] to ‘Russia’-as opposed to Russian individuals or entities—the report suggests that [Concord’s internet activities] were undertaken on behalf of, if not at the direction of the Russian government,” she wrote. Remember, the government has now denied in court that it even alleged Concord worked for the Russian government to post political messages on the internet.Of course it's a Kremlin operation! Who funds it, then? One of Putin's Oligarch friends.
Sure, and their votes could also have been influenced to vote for Hillary or third party
Well, part of the active measures that Mueller talks about in the report you refuse to read says that they pushed these dummies to vote for Stein or Johnson. But every vote for Stein or Johnson was in effect a vote for Trump. Again, the Mueller report talks in Volume I about the propaganda they created to boost Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
Whose propaganda influenced more people to vote for Stein or Sanders? Russian interference also sought to help them, also.
NO! They sought to harm Clinton by boosting her rivals. Again, this is what Mueller talks about in the report you haven't read.
We can't have an honest conversation about this because you are refusing to read the report!
Russians also interfered in the 2018 election and the U. S. has brought prosecutions.
Well, they tried and they failed.
BUT, their efforts were strong enough that Conservative posters on these very boards on JPP were spreading the #Walkaway hashtag which was a Russian disinformation campaign.
Literally, half a dozen Conservatives here were spreading #Walkaway under various IDs throughout 2018.
In fact, didn't you spread #Walkaway too?
I've shown the Mueller report is a political hack job.
No you haven't.
You've just plagiarized what other hacks have said and tried to represent it as your own thoughtful conclusion.
You didn't even read the report.
Right, so they are people who were swayed by propaganda to vote for Trump. And it was a small percentage of voters in three key states that tipped the balance, was it not?
And again, you keep making this assertion but you never support it with anything.
So I think it's bullshit. Everything you are saying is bullshit because you don't want to admit that both sides aren't the same.
Not all undecided voters were persuaded to vote for Trump. Democratic propaganda persuaded some idiots to vote for Clinton.
Both sides put out propaganda to persuade people to vote for their candidate---they are the same (and often use the same campaign consultants).
But every vote for Stein or Johnson was in effect a vote for Trump. Again, the Mueller report talks in Volume I about the propaganda they created to boost Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
B.S. If you live in heavily red or blue state your 3rd party vote does not affect the total popular vote in your state. Voting for Stein in CA was not a vote for Trump because changing your vote would not change the outcome.
.Well, they tried and they failed
Or, maybe they succeeded by helping the Democrats. Since Mueller said the whole purpose was to divide America it seems to have worked with all the people saying the election was fraudulent and Trump is not the legitimate president. Sounds like Putin accomplished his goal.
And, Putin did not want Trump, he just hated Hillary for what she said about his election being fraudulent and blamed her for the protests. After all, the Russians did not think they would be successful. They just wanted to divide the country by convincing some idiots the Russians changed the election results.