Matt Dillon
Retardium User
That's what it's all about: Thought and mind control.
I'm feeling like "The Obsolete Man".
This stuff IS straight out The Twilight Zone.
End of the line for noted traitor Robert E Lee
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That's what it's all about: Thought and mind control.
I'm feeling like "The Obsolete Man".
This stuff IS straight out The Twilight Zone.
Eagle_Eye
Well-known member
On a spring day 140 years ago, Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee met face to face in the parlor of Wilmer McLean's house in Appomattox Court House, Virginia. On that historic occasion, April 9, 1865, the two generals formalized the surrender of Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, thus bringing an end to four years of fighting between North and South.
After agreeing upon terms of the surrender, the generals each selected three officers to oversee the surrender and parole of Lee's army. Later that day, Lee and six of his staff signed a document granting their parole.
On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.
Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:
"Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April '65."
On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson's proclamation. But Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored. And the fact that he had submitted an amnesty oath at all was soon lost to history.
More than a hundred years later, in 1970, an archivist at the National Archives discovered Lee's Amnesty Oath among State Department records (reported in Prologue, Winter 1970). Apparently Secretary of State William H. Seward had given Lee's application to a friend as a souvenir, and the State Department had pigeonholed the oath.
In 1975, Lee's full rights of citizenship were posthumously restored by a joint congressional resolution effective June 13, 1865.
At the August 5, 1975, signing ceremony, President Gerald R. Ford acknowledged the discovery of Lee's Oath of Allegiance in the National Archives and remarked: "General Lee's character has been an example to succeeding generations, making the restoration of his citizenship an event in which every American can take pride."
https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/spring/piece-lee
After agreeing upon terms of the surrender, the generals each selected three officers to oversee the surrender and parole of Lee's army. Later that day, Lee and six of his staff signed a document granting their parole.
On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.
Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:
"Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April '65."
On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson's proclamation. But Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored. And the fact that he had submitted an amnesty oath at all was soon lost to history.
More than a hundred years later, in 1970, an archivist at the National Archives discovered Lee's Amnesty Oath among State Department records (reported in Prologue, Winter 1970). Apparently Secretary of State William H. Seward had given Lee's application to a friend as a souvenir, and the State Department had pigeonholed the oath.
In 1975, Lee's full rights of citizenship were posthumously restored by a joint congressional resolution effective June 13, 1865.
At the August 5, 1975, signing ceremony, President Gerald R. Ford acknowledged the discovery of Lee's Oath of Allegiance in the National Archives and remarked: "General Lee's character has been an example to succeeding generations, making the restoration of his citizenship an event in which every American can take pride."
https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/spring/piece-lee
Such a bad analogy, it does not even qualify as apples and oranges.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are memorialized for fighting for America's independence and giving us our constitutional republic.
Robert E Lee and Nathan Bedford Forrest fought against the United States, led enemy armies against the American military, and tried to tear our country apart
moon
Satire for Sanity
The United States has championed separatism in Kosovo, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine, Panama, Nicaragua and Syria . Isn't it a tad hypocritical to condemn the South for wanting self-determination ?
The United States is currently guilty of supporting Izraeli racism in Palestine. This huge blot on American credibility isn't going to go away, no matter how often it is ignored.
Jefferson and Washington were more than just slavers. I’m sure you understand their complicated history, Blacks understand it, but those who took up arms to protect slavery are a different matter.
there are calls to defund the Jefferson Memorial
Al Sharpton: Defund The Jefferson Memorial, Asking Me To "Subsidize The Insult Of My Family"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._me_to_subsidize_the_insult_of_my_family.html
There is no evidence that the southern seccesion was based on "self determination". Many southern states had a majority black resident population, and their opinions were ignored. I really don't think black residents of the south supported your claims of self determination and succession.
And I am not even sure all southern whites supported a war to defend chattel slavery. Undoubtedly there were poor white tenant farmers who did not own slaves and were not keen to die for the chattel slave labor rich plantation owners exploited.
What you call southern populist "self determination", I call an insurrection funded and led by the rich plantation aristocracy.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Some fought for self-determination, others didn't. My point is that to attempt to tar the entire South as slaving traitors is inaccurate.
Besides , I've pointed out that the US has a history of supporting insurrection and rebellion- to suit itself, of course- so you can hardly hold that against the Confederacy with a clear conscience.
Correct. They were also traitors to their King and thieves of the King's property. In addition, Jefferson was a well-known slave rapist. It's only a matter of time before well-to-do whites muster up enough white guilt to put Washington's and Jefferson's monuments on the Altar of Compensation.
Agreed 100% it's complicated which is why I have to SMH at people who say "The Southerners are racist traitors. The monuments must be destroyed." Destroying things is rarely the best way to move forward.
Thanks for the link. Sad that all the Democrats are interested in is destroying the past instead of learning from it.
Trump statues. Bahahahaha! Maybe a bobblehead. Tops.
The Democrats have been strongly engaged in a "We know what's best for you" mindset since the 1960s.
No, I'm not. Your name-calling is lame.
"Many of Lee’s subordinates wrote memoirs and other postwar accountssought to establish a written record of the war that placed the Confederacy and their actions in the best possible light.
They hoped to find something honorable in their failed bid for independence.
They hoped to influence future generations.
They understood that there would be a debate over the
meaning of the war.
They knew historians and other writers would draw on
participants’ accounts.
Their arguments eventually became known as the Lost Cause school of interpretation.
There is evidence that Lost Cause arguments are losing ground—debates over Confederate flags on license plates and on state flags suggest as much."
Source credit - Professor Gary W. Gallagher, University of Virginia
BartenderElite
Verified User
Well, ya got me. I do find that I dislike the fact that a large group of states fought hard to preserve a system that kept people enslaved and oppressed.
I'm so PC.
Keep up with the thread title, stupid foreigner...
You think they're still fighting for slavery and oppression? And you libs say we conservatives are stuck in the past...
gee "you dislike".. sorry to offend your sensibilities.
You're living in the past if that is how you judge history
You crybabys want to ban the movie Smokey And The Bandit too??
I went to a car show yesterday with a friend who has one of these Trans Ams and has the license plate on the front like in the movie (only because it was there in the movie) and a bunch of us were laughing about the stupid people like you who are "offended" by it. Let's just say we PA'ers weren't gonna let any of you libs try to remove or destroy it. (None tried, or were "offended")
The war was over 155 years ago. Those monuments were up for over 100 years, why all of a sudden are you libturds bitching and whining? It's because your princess got beat by an outsider in 2016, that's why.