Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?

[QP!]

what is the difference? be specific

It is not me who has to be specific, ask Terry as it is magats and him who are the ones who selectively screams socialism at any thing and everything a Dem politician does...

- credits for upgrade to high efficiency appliances from more expensive ones
- Mamdani grocery store
- most gov't delivered services

But then say NOT SOCIALISM when it is Trump or the right doing it

- Trump massive gov't investments and control positions in companies (means of production)
- roads
- military
- etc.

So since Terry is claiming there is a difference, get him to define it.

I would call all of it socialism if we use only the Fox news, magat use of the word socialism.

Or i would call almost none of socialism if we use the strict encyclopedia of what socialism is. I do not would not say A is socialism if done by the left and not socialism if done by the right.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It is not me who has to be specific, ask Terry as it is magats and him who are the ones who selectively screams socialism at any thing and everything a Dem politician does...

- credits for upgrade to high efficiency appliances from more expensive ones
- Mamdani grocery store
- most gov't delivered services

But then say NOT SOCIALISM when it is Trump or the right doing it

- Trump massive gov't investments and control positions in companies (means of production)
- roads
- military
- etc.

So since Terry is claiming there is a difference, get him to define it.

I would call all of it socialism if we use only the Fox news, magat use of the word socialism.

Or i would call almost none of socialism if we use the strict encyclopedia of what socialism is. I do not would not say A is socialism if done by the left and not socialism if done by the right.

The Emperors' Club New Ideology

The New Left has always been the Post-Socialist Left. Birchers' fixation of calling everything "Communist" is an attempt to push Scrooge sweatshops on the Unfortunate Sons. Any complaint from victims of excessive greed and economic treason will be treated with the strawman that it all leads to Pol Pot and his genocide of the same class the Birchers are pretending to warn.

With all their pushy paranoia, these hypocrites got their spoiled-putrid sons out of fighting the Communists in Vietnam. Scroogehawks who want Commoners to be proud to die taking a rich kid's place.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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The Right Hand DOES Know What Its Left Hand Is Doing.

From its beginning, Socialism has always been the Left fist of the RichKid Reich. After almost getting wiped out in the French Revolution, the surviving guillotine-fodder debated two tactics to prevent that from ever happening again. One was Reactionary crushing of the least bit of criticism. But the other dorm of the prep school felt that would just bring on a counter-reaction. Instead, they proposed pretending to champion the working class, playing on its fantasy of "richkids on our side," and then appoint themselves the "vanguard of the proletariat," a scheme invented by Preppy boy Marx to impose absolute tyranny on his dupes.

Like Capitalism, Communism is absentee ownership. It is really a Capitalist Utopia for the sons of the previous Capitalists, AirHead HeirHeads who are incapable of running anything else. No competition, no unions, hereditary Communist Party membership. "The King is Dead; Long Live the King." Birth privileges are the death of every civilization.

Almost all the Communist leaders were born in the lower ranks of the upper class. Just like Napoleon.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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College Is an Obsolete Preppy Entertainment Center

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Crypuss, too bad our education is so damaged.

Daddy Buying Dummy a Job

Or little Mamas' Boys, running away to indentured-servitude education because they're afraid to grow up. Class-climbing conformists sucking their thumbs in college classrooms are easily brainwashed to become either simple-minded Socialists or huffy-puff blowhard John Birchers. These job-thieves graduate with swollen heads and shrunken brains.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A Worm in the Nile Will Squirm in Denial


Leftists are the Oedipus Complex sons of the Rightists' heroes. Only pathetic losers searching for an identity as a supporter of a Higher Power is fooled to take sides in this puppet show.

The entire Left and the entire Right are mortal enemies of Populism.

 

[Teflon Don]

It is not me who has to be specific, ask Terry as it is magats and him who are the ones who selectively screams socialism at any thing and everything a Dem politician does...

- credits for upgrade to high efficiency appliances from more expensive ones
- Mamdani grocery store
- most gov't delivered services

But then say NOT SOCIALISM when it is Trump or the right doing it

- Trump massive gov't investments and control positions in companies (means of production)
- roads
- military
- etc.

So since Terry is claiming there is a difference, get him to define it.

I would call all of it socialism if we use only the Fox news, magat use of the word socialism.

Or i would call almost none of socialism if we use the strict encyclopedia of what socialism is. I do not would not say A is socialism if done by the left and not socialism if done by the right.

all you had to do is say you don't know

you were the one who brought the term "democratic socialism" into the conversation. So what is the difference between democratic socialism and regular run of the mill socialism

I also presume since you guys always cry about being called socialists or things being called socialism the you take socialism to be a bad thing? Otherwise why would you complain?

 

[QP!]

all you had to do is say you don't know

you were the one who brought the term "democratic socialism" into the conversation. So what is the difference between democratic socialism and regular run of the mill socialism

I also presume since you guys always cry about being called socialists or things being called socialism the you take socialism to be a bad thing? Otherwise why would you complain?

I DO NOT KNOW what definitions magats like you and Terry use. I admit that. You change it constantly.

I do know what the proper encylopedia definition is and can quote that here but that is not what America has ever had nor what the Dem party has ever pushed.

I do know what Magats have WRONGLY called socialism when Biden or Mamdani proposes any position and what they say is not Socialism when Trump does it.

So the point is with Magats shifting what is called Socialism based on purely partisan reason the word loses all meaning.

Something you are to dumb to understand so you will act like i should be the one defining it for magats when it is them who needs to set ONE definition and stick to it.

 

[QP!]

all you had to do is say you don't know

you were the one who brought the term "democratic socialism" into the conversation. So what is the difference between democratic socialism and regular run of the mill socialism

I also presume since you guys always cry about being called socialists or things being called socialism the you take socialism to be a bad thing? Otherwise why would you complain?

And for the record here is what Democratic socialism has been historically even if you magats will deny it based on partisan abuse only...

- 'democratic socialism' is merely the blending of Capitalism driving the economy, with 'government socialism' taxing that to provide service (roads, military, etc). It is what built the US to its greatest period thru Reconstruction, post WW2, by focusing on taking money from the top earners in a very Progressive way and redistributing to services and infrastructure to benefit all Americans but especially the emerging middle class.

 

[QP!]

...

all you had to do is say you don't know
...

As you can see with Terry's posts "Socialism" is basically any policy or law the left tries to institute that has the gov't giving back tax dollars to the people thru programs or infrastracture, etc.

But also "socialism" IS NOT anything Trump or the right does with gov't dollars to help corporations or the rich.

The very loose 'everything gov't does in that regard is socialism' is reserved for the left.

The very strict 'if you use the proper encyclopedia definition of what is socialism nothing the right does qualifies', is reserved for Trump and the right.

Meanwhile there is simply no argument that Trump admin using tax payer dollars to invest in companies and take control positions directly (golden shares) or via the gov'ts ability to give companies contracts who comply or not, is far worse "Socialism" in areas like "chip manufacturing (Intel)", because it 'exerts control on the means of production', and 'introduces the great moral hazard of picking winner and losers', because the gov't will then be massively incentivized to give its investee companies contracts, even if they are the 5th best quote, so they are not embarrassed by propping up a loser and to show their investments are 'paying back with profit', which can lead to actual better chip companies struggling or going out of business.

Mamdani's handful of LOCAL grocery stores have none of the impact that Trumps national Socialistic "investments" do.

 

[stephenPE]

 

[Teflon Don]

As you can see with Terry's posts "Socialism" is basically any policy or law the left tries to institute that has the gov't giving back tax dollars to the people thru programs or infrastracture, etc.

But also "socialism" IS NOT anything Trump or the right does with gov't dollars to help corporations or the rich.

The very loose 'everything gov't does in that regard is socialism' is reserved for the left.

The very strict 'if you use the proper encyclopedia definition of what is socialism nothing the right does qualifies', is reserved for Trump and the right.

Meanwhile there is simply no argument that Trump admin using tax payer dollars to invest in companies and take control positions directly (golden shares) or via the gov'ts ability to give companies contracts who comply or not, is far worse "Socialism" in areas like "chip manufacturing (Intel)", because it 'exerts control on the means of production', and 'introduces the great moral hazard of picking winner and losers', because the gov't will then be massively incentivized to give its investee companies contracts, even if they are the 5th best quote, so they are not embarrassed by propping up a loser and to show their investments are 'paying back with profit', which can lead to actual better chip companies struggling or going out of business.

Mamdani's handful of LOCAL grocery stores have none of the impact that Trumps national Socialistic "investments" do.

You have strayed completely off course.

The question was what is the difference between democratic socialism and socialism?

If you don’t know, just say so

 

[stephenPE]

 

[Lionfish]

 

[stephenPE]

 

[QP!]

You have strayed completely off course.

The question was what is the difference between democratic socialism and socialism?

If you don’t know, just say so

Socialism is the thing that has never existed in America and that neither Biden or Mamdani have attempted to impose. Trump is actually the closest with his golden shares in companies giving the Federal gov't control over the means of production...

Socialism is an economic and political system in which the means of production— factories, land, and raw materials—are owned by the community or State as a whole, rather than by private individuals.
In a strict, standard economic definition, it is characterized by the absence of private property in favor of public, cooperative, or state ownership, with wealth and resources distributed based on individual contribution or social need.

Democratic Socialism...

- 'democratic socialism' is merely the blending of Capitalism driving the economy, with 'government programs' taxing that to provide service (roads, military, etc). It is what built the US to its greatest period thru Reconstruction, post WW2, by focusing on taking money from the top earners in a very Progressive way and redistributing to services and infrastructure to benefit all Americans but especially the emerging middle class.

 

[Phantasmal]

It’s honestly hysterical that MAGA hates Socialism, yet the tech lords are claiming eventually AI will do all the work and there will be a “universal high income”.

 

[stephenPE]

 

[Teflon Don]

Socialism is the thing that has never existed in America and that neither Biden or Mamdani have attempted to impose. Trump is actually the closest with his golden shares in companies giving the Federal gov't control over the means of production...



Democratic Socialism...

so it is the government stealing from others to give to others right?

sort of like from each according to his means to each according to his needs?

How is it any different?

And if socialism is taking over the means of production, isn't that essentially communism?

And if democratic socialism isn't that, they why use the word socialism?

It is like you guys can't keep your stories straight

 

[QP!]

so it is the government stealing from others to give to others right?

sort of like from each according to his means to each according to his needs?

How is it any different?

And if socialism is taking over the means of production, isn't that essentially communism?

And if democratic socialism isn't that, they why use the word socialism?

It is like you guys can't keep your stories straight

And we are back to the Democratic people's of N.korea must be Democratic otherwise why would they use the word, type stupidity, again.

I can only give you definitions and cannot help you to understand them.