Darth Omar
Russian asset
So educate me… Show me where I’m wrong?
Wrong lol?
It would only be ‘right’ to spy on political campaigns [for any old reason] in places I don’t care to live in.
So educate me… Show me where I’m wrong?
Hmm. William Barr is United States Attorney General, and BRAD isn't. Is that an accurate statement to the best of your knowledge, Mr. Omar?
Wrong lol?
It would only be ‘right’ to spy on political campaigns [for any old reason] in places I don’t care to live in.
It’s a fair statement.
For those who may be of the opinion that BRAD is indeed as mendaciously ignorant as he seems to be, here are the relevant ABA standards:
(a) These Standards address the investigative stage of the criminal justice process. They address the charge or post-charge stages of the criminal justice process only when those stages overlap with the investigative stage.
(b) Standards are not intended to serve as the basis for the imposition of professional discipline, nor to create substantive or procedural rights for accused or convicted persons. These Standards do not modify a prosecutor’s ethical obligations under applicable rule of professional conduct. These Standards are not intended to create a standard of care for civil liability, nor to serve as a predicate for a motion to suppress evidence or dismiss a charge.
(c) The use of the term “prosecutor” in these Standards applies to any prosecutor or other attorney, regardless of agency or title, who serves as an attorney in a governmental criminal investigation.
STANDARD 1.2 GENERAL PRINCIPLES
(a) An individual prosecutor is not an independent agent but is a member of an independent institution the primary duty of which is to seek justice.
(b) The prosecutor’s client is the public, not particular government agencies or victims.
(c) The purposes of a criminal investigation are to:
(i) develop sufficient factual information to enable the prosecutor to make a fair and objective determination of whether and what charges should be brought and to guard against prosecution of the innocent, and
(ii) develop legally admissible evidence sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction of those who are guilty and warrant prosecution.
(d) The prosecutor should:
(i) ensure that criminal investigations are not based upon premature beliefs or conclusions as to guilt or innocence but are guided by the facts;
(ii) ensure that criminal investigations are not based upon partisan or other improper political or personal considerations and do not invidiously discriminate against, nor wrongly favor, persons on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, political beliefs, age, or social or economic status;
(iii) consider whether an investigation would be in the public interest and what the potential impacts of a criminal investigation might be on subjects, targets and witnesses; and
(iv) seek in most circumstances to maintain the secrecy and confidentiality of criminal investigations.
(e) Generally, the prosecutor engaged in an investigation should not be the sole decision-maker regarding the decision to prosecute matters arising out of that investigation.
(f) The prosecutor should be aware of and comply with the ethical rules and other legal standards applicable to the prosecutor’s conduct during an investigation.
(g) The prosecutor should cooperate with other governmental authorities regarding matters that are of legitimate concern to such authorities when doing so is permitted by law and would not compromise an investigation or other criminal justice goals.
(h) The prosecutor’s office should provide organizational structure to guide its members’ investigative work.
Wrong lol?
It would only be ‘right’ to spy on political campaigns [for any old reason] in places I don’t care to live in.
Wrong lol?
It would only be ‘right’ to spy on political campaigns [for any old reason] in places I don’t care to live in.
1) You have posted ABA guidelines, not rules, laws or even policy.
I have posted a portion of the ABA Standards for Prosecutorial Investigations, BRAD. They have been part of the practice of criminal law since February 2008, a fact that you are apparently unaware of.
Weren't you dismissed for cause around that time?
We were talking about investigating....
Can you show me a law that prohibits it? Can you show me a law that says you must have a predicate to launch an investigation?
Do ABA standards have the effect of law, policy, or any type of requirement?
When deciding whether to initiate or continue an investigation, the prosecutor should consider:
(i) whether there is evidence of the existence of criminal conduct;
(ii) the nature and seriousness of the problem or alleged offense, including the risk or degree of harm from ongoing criminal conduct;
(iii) a history of prior violations of the same or similar laws and whether those violations have previously been addressed through law enforcement or other means;
(iv) the motive, interest, bias or other improper factors that may influence those seeking to initiate or cause the initiation of a criminal investigation;
(v) the need for, and expected impact of, criminal enforcement to:
(A) punish blameworthy behavior;
(B) provide specific and/or general deterrence;
(C) provide protection to the community;
(D) reinforce norms embodied in the criminal law;
(E) prevent unauthorized private action to enforce the law;
(F) preserve the credibility of the criminal justice system; and
(G) other legitimate public interests.
(vi) whether the costs and benefits of the investigation and of particular investigative tools and techniques are justified in consideration of, among other things, the nature of the criminal activity as well as the impact of conducting the investigation on other enforcement priorities and resources
(vii) the collateral effects of the investigation on witnesses, subjects, targets and non-culpable third parties, including financial damage and harm to reputation
(viii) the probability of obtaining sufficient evidence for a successful prosecution of the matter in question, including, if there is a trial, the probability of obtaining a conviction and having the conviction upheld upon appellate review; and
(ix) whether society’s interest in the matter might be better or equally vindicated by available civil, regulatory, administrative, or private remedies.
(d) When deciding whether to initiate or continue an investigation, the prosecutor should not be influenced by:
(i) partisan or other improper political or personal considerations, or by the race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, political beliefs or affiliations, age, or social or economic status of the potential subject or victim, unless they are elements of the crime or are relevant to the motive of the perpetrator; or
(ii) hostility or personal animus towards a potential subject, or any other improper motive of the prosecutor.
(e) The prosecutor’s office should have an internal procedure to document the reason(s) for declining to pursue prosecution following a criminal investigation.
This question further demonstrates your unfamiliarity with said Standards.

So u would be OK if Trump sent in spy's to investigate Biden or Beto, Harris
Entrapment is a complete defense to a criminal charge, on the theory that "Government agents may not originate a criminal design, implant in an innocent person's mind the disposition to commit a criminal act, and then induce commission of the crime so that the Government may prosecute." Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540, 548 (1992).
A valid entrapment defense has two related elements: (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct. Mathews v. United States, 485 U.S. 58, 63 (1988). Of the two elements, predisposition is by far the more important.
Inducement is the threshold issue in the entrapment defense. Mere solicitation to commit a crime is not inducement. Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435, 451 (1932). Nor does the government's use of artifice, stratagem, pretense, or deceit establish inducement. Id. at 441. Rather, inducement requires a showing of at least persuasion or mild coercion, United States v. Nations, 764 F.2d 1073, 1080 (5th Cir. 1985); pleas based on need, sympathy, or friendship, ibid.; or extraordinary promises of the sort "that would blind the ordinary person to his legal duties," United States v. Evans, 924 F.2d 714, 717 (7th Cir. 1991). See also United States v. Kelly, 748 F.2d 691, 698 (D.C. Cir. 1984) (inducement shown only if government's behavior was such that "a law-abiding citizen's will to obey the law could have been overborne"); United States v. Johnson, 872 F.2d 612, 620 (5th Cir. 1989) (inducement shown if government created "a substantial risk that an offense would be committed by a person other than one ready to commit it").
Even if inducement has been shown, a finding of predisposition is fatal to an entrapment defense. The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant "was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime." Mathews, 485 U.S. at 63. Thus, predisposition should not be confused with intent or mens rea: a person may have the requisite intent to commit the crime, yet be entrapped. Also, predisposition may exist even in the absence of prior criminal involvement: "the ready commission of the criminal act," such as where a defendant promptly accepts an undercover agent's offer of an opportunity to buy or sell drugs, may itself establish predisposition. Jacobson, 503 U.S. at 550.
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I notice you won’t answer…
The forum notes that you are unfamiliar with basic and widely-disseminated prosecutorial standards and ethics which have been known to practicing legal professionals since at least February 2008. It is the opinion of this Forum that you therefore have no standing to represent yourself before the Forum as an "expert" on the matter under review.