Federal deficit grows by 32% to $900B

Let me explain something to you because it doesn't appear that you can fake your way through this discussion.

Inventories are output.
No, they aren't.
Inventory is the output.
No, it isn't. Inventory is storage.
If your inventory orders for Q3 and Q4 are both being serviced in Q2, then what inventory orders will be there during Q3 and Q4?
The entire reason they rushed to get inventories out was because they wanted to avoid having consumers pay higher prices because of the tariffs.
So the orders for Q2, Q3, and Q4 were likely placed in Q2. So Q2's output and productivity is going to be high because of that. But that means a significant drop in demand for orders in Q3 and Q4, because you already serviced that demand in Q2. So you're not going to manufacture or produce or output inventory to fill demand that isn't there. So without that demand comes layoffs and downsizing. So you barely juiced the economy in Q2 at the long-term expense of Q3 and Q4 economic output and productivity.
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You are describing what happens to importers of certain items. The U.S. economy isn't just importers.
 
The tariffs only increase costs to consumers. Domestic distributors are the ones who pay the tariffs and they pass that cost onto consumers by increasing prices at the point-of-sale. No government pays a tariff. The country from where the product comes doesn't pay the tariff. The company that makes the product overseas doesn't pay the tariff. You pay the tariff at the point-of-sale.

No, the importer pays the tariff. They might pass it on to you. No one is forcing any consumer to buy from the importer.
 
Ups and downs are a normal part of any economy. What causes our extended downturns is the Federal Reserve and price controls.

Wrong.

Everything in our economy happens for a reason. Nothing happens "just because". Recessions don't just happen, they're caused by something. The last three major recessions we had were all caused by terrible Conservative policy.

The S&L's were the result of Conservative laissez-faire capitalism.

The Dotcom crisis was the result of the Conservative Capital Gains Tax Cut of 1997.

The mortgage crisis was the result of Conservative deregulation of lending standards.

Every major economic downturn was caused by something.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Try creating a new persona and maybe you can score a cheap point on these boards.

Otherwise, weak sauce, bruh.
 
I do understand exactly what it is. It's an oligarchy that imposes price controls on money. Oligarchies don't work. Neither do price controls.

I mean...Christ...this is just peak stupidity.

The central bank sets the interest rate to combat inflation, and it rescues banks that fail.

That's what it does.
 
You are describing what happens to importers of certain items. The U.S. economy isn't just importers.

A lot of it is, unfortunately, and you can't just magically wave a tariff on something and expect the production to be moved here. It's not affordable for major production to pick up from overseas and move here because of the cost involved with that. A business would rather just charge its customers more because relocating production is a costly endeavor with very little reward. It takes time, money, and resources to do that. The costs are far too high. So when someone sells you a lie about how they can bring production back here, they're pulling your leg. Once production goes, it's never coming back. The costs to do so are too high.
 
And I remember at the time that every single Conservative predicted a further economic collapse and hyperinflation.
Some did, some didn't. Most predicted inflation though.
Guess what?

YOU WERE ALL WRONG.
They were right. Inflation is taking place right now.
And the only reason the Fed stepped in was because Conservatives forfeit their duties to govern for a policy of obstructionism. If Conservatives had helped to recover the economy from the collapse caused by their policies, the Fed would not have needed to step in and keep interest rates low and do QE.
QE is inflation, dude. The Fed has also kept interest rates artificially low since the Clinton administration. That causes the boom/bust cycle that we've been seeing. This is not about Republicans or Democrats or any particular president. It's about the Fed.
So whatever you're complaining about, just know that it was caused by actions the people you support took to avoid accepting responsibility for their belief system causing the collapse to happen in the first place.
Trump isn't causing a collapse. Neither did Bush. Neither did Obama, although he certainly deepened the crash with his policies.
 
Some did, some didn't. Most predicted inflation though.

No, most predicted hyperinflation and an economic collapse.

Inflation is one of the only economic indicators that grows organically. So to say "I predict inflation" is to say "I predict the sun will rise in the East tomorrow".
 
QE is inflation, dude. The Fed has also kept interest rates artificially low since the Clinton administration. That causes the boom/bust cycle that we've been seeing. This is not about Republicans or Democrats or any particular president. It's about the Fed.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Firstly, as I showed crapwacko earlier, the Fed was raising interest rates beginning in 2003, a full year before the subprime bubble started. So "easy money" wasn't the reason the Bush administration dramatically weakened lending standards for subprime loans beginning in 2004 and extending through 2007. Bush did that because he wanted to create a housing bubble because a strong housing market is probably the best thing for an economy. Each home start creates about 3 jobs. So it was entirely in Bush's interest to push a housing bubble because home construction creates jobs for people. That's why they did it. The economy was in the toilet for the entirety of Bush's first term. Since elections usually come down to the economy, Bush needed to give the impression the economy was growing as a result of his tax cuts when it was really growing as a result of debt. He even campaigned on that very idea in 2004:

Touting his tax cuts as the economy's savior — and pointing to the strong housing market as proof — Bush said "more people own their own home now than ever."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/03/26/bush-ties-policy-to-record-home-ownership.html


For the Dotcom Bubble, that was created not by the Fed, but by the 1997 Capital Gains Tax Cut that caused volatility in the market. Like I also linked to earlier with crapwacko:

We infer from the findings in this study that the volatility left, after controlling for every known determinant, reflects the influence of the 1997 capital gains tax rate cut. Stock return volatility was substantially greater after 1997. Furthermore, firms most affected by the rate reduction showed the greatest change in volatility. Specifically, non-dividend paying firms had a greater increase in volatility than dividend-paying firms and firms with large unrealized capital losses experienced a greater increase in volatility than firms with small unrealized losses.
http://w4.stern.nyu.edu/emplibrary/CapitalGainsTaxes.pdf
 
Wrong.
Everything in our economy happens for a reason. Nothing happens "just because". Recessions don't just happen, they're caused by something. The last three major recessions we had were all caused by terrible Conservative policy.
Nope. They were all caused by the Fed.
The S&L's were the result of Conservative laissez-faire capitalism.
WRONG. It was the result of the Fed lowering interest rates too far, producing massive speculation in the junk bond market.
The Dotcom crisis was the result of the Conservative Capital Gains Tax Cut of 1997.
WRONG. It was the result of the Fed lowering interest rates too far, resulting in massive speculation in the .COM markets.
The mortgage crisis was the result of Conservative deregulation of lending standards.
WRONG. It was the result of the Fed lowering interest rates too far, resulting in massive speculation in housing loans.
Every major economic downturn was caused by something.
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It was. The Fed.

Easy money causes speculation. During the times the speculation begins is the boom time. Everything is looking up. People are making a lot of money. More and more join the party.
Then comes the bust. The pyramid scheme built by such investing collapses (as all pyramid schemes do), and it all has to unwind. During that time the economy is poor. The Fed, too late, often triggers this by increasing interest rates after the damage has been done. Once the bust starts, the Fed goes right back to lowering interest rates, after the bust is in progress. They are constantly chasing themselves doing the wrong thing. The inevitable result of price controls is shortages. Shortages of money is what the boom/bust cycle is all about.

Keneysian economics is a poor economic model. It injects money into the system at the wrong time, and pulls back at the wrong time. It is price controls that result in shortages of money itself.
 
Trump isn't causing a collapse. Neither did Bush. Neither did Obama, although he certainly deepened the crash with his policies.

Yes he absolutely is.

And Bush absolutely caused the mortgage collapse because it was his regulators who dramatically weakened lending standards for subprime loans from 2004-7. Regulators work for the Executive Branch. Who runs the Executive Branch? Think hard.
 
No, most predicted hyperinflation and an economic collapse.

Inflation is one of the only economic indicators that grows organically. So to say "I predict inflation" is to say "I predict the sun will rise in the East tomorrow".

If you prefer to change history as your dogmatic belief there is nothing more to say. Your statement is bigotry.
 
WRONG. It was the result of the Fed lowering interest rates too far, producing massive speculation in the junk bond market.

The speculation was already there. It had been for years before the Fed lowered interest rates.


WRONG. It was the result of the Fed lowering interest rates too far, resulting in massive speculation in the .COM markets

Nope. As the study I linked to earlier said, the volatility in the market was caused by the reduction of the Capital Gains rate.


WRONG. It was the result of the Fed lowering interest rates too far, resulting in massive speculation in housing loans.

Nope. It was because Bush weakened lending standards for subprimes, which caused subprime market share to skyrocket. Fed had nothing to do with that and was actually raising interest rates.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
 
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