Glimpsing Victory in Iran

Walt said:
It has been four months now, and you cannot even tell me what victory looks like. How can we get glimpses of it, if you do not know what it looks like.
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It looks like a severely weaker IRGC and the people revolting . The IRGC is severely weaken and I think the people of Iran will revolt soon. You will have to wait to find out what happens.
 
Cypress said:
Over four months ago, Trump and his fan boys claimed Iran was defeated and nothing less than their unconditional surrender would be acceptable.
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I think we've routed them, left them with NOTHING, six times in five months. It's been six defeats like no one ever saw.
 
Diogenes said:
I believe that the crime of the century has just been narrowly averted, and we've just bought precious time to keep it from fruition.

Consider what we've learned (for those following the after-action reports).

Iran was trying to build up an arsenal of medium and short range missiles (and drones).

That would've given the theocrats in Tehran the steel shield they needed in order to reconstitute their nuclear program at a rapid pace, relatively safe from air attacks.

The risk to the world of introducing nuclear coercion into the fabric of hybrid warfare is immense. Iran has long been the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism with networks of proxies operating across the globe.

That set-up left Washington with four bad options: pull out of the Middle East, abandon Israel, give Iran more time to go nuclear, or destroy Iran's air defense system before the tipping point was reached.

Trump chose the least bad option in anticipatory self defense.

The US and Israel could wait no longer. It would have been suicidal to let the mullahs launch a surprise attack because it would likely inflict politically disastrous losses.

Tehran made the error of thinking that the Iran policy of the past (even of Trump 1.0) would continue and that they'd have enough time to reconstitute their nuclear program under cover of their defensive hardware.

They miscalculated.

The US and Israel must at least attempt finish this job.

The IRGC is still going to escalate as best they can and target not only vessels anchored in the Persian Gulf, but ports, terminals and other targets of opportunity. We have to knock out their remaining drones and missiles, and destroy their means of producing more until they sue for peace - if they ever do.

Remember that these are radical religious fanatics whose stated goals are the destruction of the state of Israel and death to America. They are willing (and even eager) to die if necessary to facilitate the mass extinction of the US and Israel. I do not doubt their resolve.

But what's going to happen now?

Setting aside the possibility of the Red Chinese intervening militarily (although it's possible), we don't have unlimited time or the resources for a protracted campaign.

The US has multi-theater obligations and cannot leave a vacuum forever in the western hemisphere or the Indopacific (especially with Taiwan under threat).

It behooves the international community to form a maritime task force to protect those soft assets by positioning in the region. They will likely do it anyway once the assets they depend on for oil start burning out of control.

But they must drag their feet and wag their fingers at Trump and Netanyahu first to score political points in the hopes that it hobbles Trump in the midterms and loses Bibi his October election, because they want to go back to pretending they have time to play with Iran some more.

Setting aside how hypocritical that approach is, it is also shortsighted.

Iran has the motive, and will reacquire the means in time. They must not be given the opportunity.
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Iran was in the process of building missiles. Trump and Israel showed them why it was a great idea. If they are smart, they will build as many missiles and drones as they can. Trump showed them why they should.
Trump is showing Iran and the world why they should get nukes as fast as they can. He will Pearl Harbor a country when he feels like,
 
Nordberg said:
Iran was in the process of building missiles. Trump and Israel showed them why it was a great idea. If they are smart, they will build as many missiles and drones as they can. Trump showed them why they should. Trump is showing Iran and the world why they should get nukes as fast as they can. He will Pearl Harbor a country when he feels like,
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Didn't I tell you to kill yourself? What's taking so long?
 
Nordberg said:
Iran was in the process of building missiles. Trump and Israel showed them why it was a great idea. If they are smart, they will build as many missiles and drones as they can. Trump showed them why they should.
Trump is showing Iran and the world why they should get nukes as fast as they can. He will Pearl Harbor a country when he feels like,
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The thing is we have blown up their missile factories. Plus we jacked up their income sources.
 
FastLane said:
The thing is we have blown up their missile factories!
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Iran Shows Its Ballistic Missiles Are Still a Force to Reckon With​

July 21 - Tehran reconstitutes some of its weapons programs after the U.S. and Israel tried to destroy them in the early days of the war

With deadly attacks on an air base in Jordan, Iran has proved that it retains a significant missile and drone arsenal that still threatens American forces and the U.S.’s regional allies, despite President Trump’s claim to have “totally destroyed” Iran’s military.


 
Cypress said:

Iran Shows Its Ballistic Missiles Are Still a Force to Reckon With​

July 21 - Tehran reconstitutes some of its weapons programs after the U.S. and Israel tried to destroy them in the early days of the war

With deadly attacks on an air base in Jordan, Iran has proved that it retains a significant missile and drone arsenal that still threatens American forces and the U.S.’s regional allies, despite President Trump’s claim to have “totally destroyed” Iran’s military.


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Yes Iran has a few missiles and they have less every time the launch them.
 
FastLane said:
March 16 - Two weeks after the United States and Israel launched their combined military campaign against Iran’s clerical regime, the outlines of victory are beginning to emerge.

Even liberal outlets know we are winning.
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:lolup: :lolup:​
FastLane said:
A regime still reeling from last year’s 12-day war now faces a far more punishing assault.

Its ballistic-missile program—the backbone of Tehran’s ability to coerce the region—has suffered immense damage. Israeli military assessments indicate that 160 to 190 launchers have been destroyed and roughly 200 more disabled, while perhaps 150 remain active. Missile inventories have been sharply diminished, and production lines and storage facilities repeatedly struck. Ballistic-missile launches have fallen by more than 90 percent since the war began, and Iran’s one-way-attack-drone launches have dropped by more than 95 percent, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said on Friday.
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Iran is reconstituting weapons systems and rebuilding infrastructure with surprising speed, confounding prior U.S. intelligence assessments​

Iran has quickly rebuilt infrastructure damaged during the U.S. and Israeli bombing campaign over recent months, from missile bases nestled deep inside mountains to bridges, ports and production facilities, according to Israeli and Western officials and a review of satellite imagery.

The faster-than-expected progress worries some Israeli officials. It helps explain Iran’s continued resilience despite an air campaign that involved more than 20,000 strikes at the height of the war and that continues along Iran’s coast in an effort to break Tehran’s grip on the Strait of Hormuz.


https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/satellite-images-show-iran-is-rebuilding-fast-199978f7
 
FastLane said:
The campaign has already delivered major wins for American national security, but something much bigger is starting to come

Two weeks after the United States and Israel launched their combined military campaign against Iran’s clerical regime, the outlines of victory are beginning to emerge.

Military campaigns of this kind—especially those aimed not only at degrading military capability but also at creating conditions for political change—unfold in phases. The first phase of this conflict was bound to be the most important: stripping the Islamic Republic of its ability to wage war against America and its allies, threaten its neighbors, and intimidate global markets.

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Even liberal outlets know we are winning. They even admit that this is a win for national security. Why do Libratards on JPP oppose this military action. :dunno:




A regime still reeling from last year’s 12-day war now faces a far more punishing assault. American and Israeli aircraft are operating over Iran with near-total freedom, striking military infrastructure, command nodes, and strategic assets across the country. Iran’s air-defense network has been badly degraded, and its navy reduced to a fraction of its former capacity.

Its ballistic-missile program—the backbone of Tehran’s ability to coerce the region—has suffered immense damage. Israeli military assessments indicate that 160 to 190 launchers have been destroyed and roughly 200 more disabled, while perhaps 150 remain active. Missile inventories have been sharply diminished, and production lines and storage facilities repeatedly struck. Ballistic-missile launches have fallen by more than 90 percent since the war began, and Iran’s one-way-attack-drone launches have dropped by more than 95 percent, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said on Friday.
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Iran is pacing itself, and Pete Hegseth is a liar.
 
FastLane said:
It looks like a severely weaker IRGC and the people revolting . The IRGC is severely weaken and I think the people of Iran will revolt soon. You will have to wait to find out what happens.
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Your predictions keep blowing up in your face. Stop parroting Trump talking points if you do not want to be exposed as a silly person.
 
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