How are you Coping with Covid?

[Matt Dillon]

who would that be? 4 years if this incompetent crooked asshole has made his existence clear. That right-wing meme should be retired.

Apparently you missed the launch.

 

[Charoite]

If you don't have free will, then tell me how it works.

Free will doesn't change anything. In your free will you could use school children for sniper practice, or whatever you want. It doesn't change society's rules or religious rules. As far as suicide goes, it's a defiance of Christ entirely, the equivalent of spitting on his and others sacrifices and struggle.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

If you don't have free will, then tell me how it works.

Sin exists because of free will.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Please define what "meaningful fruit" means to you in terms of society or government legislation. Obviously the term means generating something positive, but you are implying specific things. What things?

FWIW, some time back Steven used a certain phrase. I asked him what it meant in his own words, not something copy'n'pasted. Not something I could Google on the Internet. Something that he had to generate himself. He couldn't do it. Why?

Who the fuck is Steven? And you clearly cannot read if you don't understand the conversation.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Free will doesn't change anything. In your free will you could use school children for sniper practice, or whatever you want. It doesn't change society's rules or religious rules. As far as suicide goes, it's a defiance of Christ entirely, the equivalent of spitting on his and others sacrifices and struggle.

Agreed with your extreme example but disagreed with your "spitting" interpretation.

What if your "free will" violates every Ten Commandment except "Thou shalt not kill"? Aren't all within the Constitution? If so, why? It's obvious: FREE WILL. People can do whatever they like except harm another. I'm good with it.

The only thing being "spit" upon is your specific view of a book obviously written and interpreted by mankind, not God.

 

[Charoite]

Agreed with your extreme example but disagreed with your "spitting" interpretation.

What if your "free will" violates every Ten Commandment except "Thou shalt not kill"? Aren't all within the Constitution? If so, why? It's obvious: FREE WILL. People can do whatever they like except harm another. I'm good with it.

It still doesn't change what's lawful and unlawful, or sinful and unsinful. Billy said suicide is a sin and it is to all denominations of Christians and many other religions find it taboo. To us, that's worse than violating secular laws.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Who the fuck is Steven? And you clearly cannot read if you don't understand the conversation.

Steven VanderMolen. A member who asked to be deleted and was done so.

My mistake for assuming you knew who he was. My deepest apologies for being mistaken.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It still doesn't change what's lawful and unlawful, or sinful and unsinful. Billy said suicide is a sin and it is to all denominations of Christians and many other religions find it taboo. To us, that's worse than violating secular laws.

Lawful is a matter of law. Sinful is a matter of belief. You believe adultery is a sin, but it's legal. My point is that your and my beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to the law. It's the Sinner's problem alone as long as everyone involved is consensual. Not a place for the law.

Free Will prevails.

 

[Charoite]

Lawful is a matter of law. Sinful is a matter of belief. You believe adultery is a sin, but it's legal. My point is that your and my beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to the law. It's the Sinner's problem alone as long as everyone involved is consensual. Not a place for the law.

Free Will prevails.

That changes nothing on the point. Billy carries and follows that belief. To a real Christian, we will hold to that stuff because it is the law to us and takes precedence over secular law.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There's no option for my bill didn't change at all... I hate your poll.

That's what the "less than $100" option was for since "less than" includes "Zero."

Why do you hate my poll?

FWIW, even though my answer is "$100-$200", it's not by increased consumption. It's by increased cost of taste. My old drink included mixed vodka, but I've acquired a taste for Jägermeister shots. Same amount, double the cost.

Additionally, somewhat neutralizing costs, I had a lot of leftover high quality liquor from my dad's wake earlier this year. One brother had quit drinking, which made it easy. Another recommended either "Leadslingers" or "Woodford' Reserve" so I, being the Executor-by-mutual-consent, bought both. My sister recommended "Tito's" which was such an excellent choice that I bought two. All had to fly to Texas for the funeral and wake, so when they left, all the mostly empty bottles were left to me.

Let's be honest, there was no fucking way I was going to leave quarter-filled bottles of our nation's finest liquor for the maids. No offense to maids.

 

[Damocles]

That's what the "less than $100" option was for since "less than" includes "Zero."

Why do you hate my poll?

FWIW, even though my answer is "$100-$200", it's not by increased consumption. It's by the increased cost of taste. My old drink included mixed vodka, but I've acquired a taste for Jägermeister shots. Same amount, double the cost.

Additionally, somewhat neutralizing costs, I had a lot of leftover high quality liquor from my dad's wake earlier this year. One brother had quit drinking, which made it easy. Another recommended either "Leadslingers" or "Woodford' Reserve" so I, being the Executor-by-mutual-consent, bought both. My sister recommended "Tito's" which was such an excellent choice that I bought two. All had to fly to Texas for the funeral and wake, so when they left, all the mostly empty bottles were left to me.

Let's be honest, there was no fucking way I was going to leave quarter-filled bottles of our nation's finest liquor for the maids. No offense to maids.

I'm a beer snob. I make my own because most barley pop they sell in the states is painfully tasteless.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm a beer snob. I make my own because most barley pop they sell in the states is painfully tasteless.

I BBQ the finest brisket in Texas and am a big believer in the barter system being tax free.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That changes nothing on the point. Billy carries and follows that belief. To a real Christian, we will hold to that stuff because it is the law to us and takes precedence over secular law.

Soooo, like the Jihadist Muslims, you seek to overpower the secular government and dictate your view of beliefs upon all?

That's what the anti-abortion laws are all about, isn't it? All the assisted suicide laws? Sex laws?

 

[CFM]

I BBQ the finest brisket in Texas and am a big believer in the barter system being tax free.

The barter system is tax free.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The barter system is tax free.

and I advocate keeping that way. It was a message to the LWers. Glad you jumped in.

 

[Charoite]

Soooo, like the Jihadist Muslims, you seek to overpower the secular government and dictate your view of beliefs upon all?

That's what the anti-abortion laws are all about, isn't it? All the assisted suicide laws? Sex laws?

No, we are to abide the law as we are called to but that doesn't mean accept it. You don't have to follow anything. If you think suicide is fine that's on you and you alone. If you recall me arguing about forced conscription I told you I'd be taking no part based on the same reasoning

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No, we are to abide the law as we are called to but that doesn't mean accept it. You don't have to follow anything. If you think suicide is fine that's on you and you alone. If you recall me arguing about forced conscription I told you I'd be taking no part based on the same reasoning

Thanks for the clarification.

Obviously one major conflict is between those who not only vote against something like assisted suicide, but become politically-activated while using Freedom of Religion as a shield against criticism. IMO, this is unfair.

 

[Charoite]

I'm a beer snob. I make my own because most barley pop they sell in the states is painfully tasteless.

Not at the local micro brewers. Whenever you produce en masse you tend to lose the quality of what you're making. Save that beer for batter and try some local.

 

[Walt]

The barter system is tax free.

Legally speaking, you have to report bartering.

The IRS reminds all taxpayers that the fair market value of property or services received through a barter is taxable income. Both parties must report as income the value of the goods and services received in the exchange.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/four-things-you-should-know-if-you-barter

I used to receive Bitcoins, which legally speaking is bartering. It would have been illegal for me to not pay taxes on them.

 

[CFM]

Legally speaking, you have to report bartering.


I used to receive Bitcoins, which legally speaking is bartering. It would have been illegal for me to not pay taxes on them.

If what I provide to you is equal to what you provide to me, there aren't any taxes to pay.