I'm one progressive liberal who....

It's not OK for progressive liberals to take populist positions like the Seditionist-Republicans do.

We hold everybody to the standards of elitist snobs, but we help them to ascend to that level if they need help doing so.

Excellence is our goal, not regular-guyism. Joe Sixpack is not our role model.

That's why regardless of our race or ethnicity, we must try to speak well, write well, and read profusely.

I don't hate words like "Juneteenth" because I'm a racist.

Regardless of race, we all aspire to sound a little smarter than that.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
It's not OK for progressive liberals to take populist positions like the Seditionist-Republicans do.

We hold everybody to the standards of elitist snobs, but we help them to ascend to that level if they need help doing so.

Excellence is our goal, not regular-guyism. Joe Sixpack is not our role model.

That's why regardless of our race or ethnicity, we must try to speak well, write well, and read profusely.

I don't hate words like "Juneteenth" because I'm a racist.

Regardless of race, we all aspire to sound a little smarter than that.
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Every language has neologisms and colloquialisms. Your complaint has no substance.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I don't hate words like "Juneteenth" because I'm a racist.

Regardless of race, we all aspire to sound a little smarter than that.
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Yes

But to "expect" a black to be...is racist!


To expect blacks to have the same SAT scores etc as whites to get into college is racist!
 
volsrock said:
what makes it ours?
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Before you go too far down that road, volsrock, remember that it's conservative Republicans who want English to be our official national language to the exclusion of others.

"Don't make me press 1 for English in my own country," they say.

How many Middle American WASPS do you know that are bi-lingual?

Molti di noi qui sulla costa est.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Before you go too far down that road, volsrock, remember that it's conservative Republicans who want English to be our official national language to the exclusion of others.

"Don't make me press 1 for English in my own country," they say.

How many Middle American WASPS do you know that are bi-lingual?

Molti di noi qui sulla costa est.
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We have used the language since 1776 the country's official founding...United States Declaration of Independence is in english, not english and spanish . But the language came from England!
 
volsrock said:
We have used the language since 1776 the country's official founding...United States Declaration of Independence is in english, not english and spanish . But the language came from England!
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I am going to assume from your remarks that you construed my last sentence as having been in Spanish.
Not a huge transgression on your part by any means, but no, it wasn't.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
HATES the word Juneteenth.

It sounds Ebonic and awful. I don't understand why our African American citizens don't find it demeaning.
I'm not even one myself, but I find it demeaning.
By all means, celebrate the day if it's meaningful to you.
Just give it a more dignified name.
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Quit being racist.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Things were much better by then as far as teaching real history and not the white-washed (pun intended) version we got. I graduated h.s. the year before you were hatched. How did learning about these episodes in American history influence you, or did it? Do you think that current h.s. students should learn the negative with the positives? A lot of RWers call this "revisionist" and are against the teaching of it.
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I don't know if I answered your question earlier but as far as how it influenced me it definitely made me more knowledgeable. For example, when I see black friends talking about Black Wall St on Facebook and the need to recreate it I know what they are talking about. I was obviously aware of slavery, Jim Crow etc. so I wasn't coming from a "I'm blindsided that this occurred in my country perspective". But there's no question you read about and it hits you in the gut. But I don't think hearing about Tulsa fundamentally changed any views I held.

I don't view things today from a perspective based on knowing Black Wall St occurred I think we should do this versus I wouldn't think this way if I didn't know it had occurred. (if that makes sense)
 
cawacko said:
I don't know if I answered your question earlier but as far as how it influenced me it definitely made me more knowledgeable. For example, when I see black friends talking about Black Wall St on Facebook and the need to recreate it I know what they are talking about. I was obviously aware of slavery, Jim Crow etc. so I wasn't coming from a "I'm blindsided that this occurred in my country perspective". But there's no question you read about and it hits you in the gut. But I don't think hearing about Tulsa fundamentally changed any views I held.

I don't view things today from a perspective based on knowing Black Wall St occurred I think we should do this versus I wouldn't think this way if I didn't know it had occurred. (if that makes sense)
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I think it makes you a more compassionate, empathic person to learn of these things, how others might feel about them. Being exposed to a diverse group of people at school, work, or in your neighborhood opens your mind -- usually. It can go the other way as well, sometimes.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I wonder why this history was ignored outside of Oklahoma? I also had no idea that Texans (or anyone else) celebrated "Juneteenth" until the last decade or so. Where we live now, the history of residential boarding schools is looked at extremely negatively by the indigenous people. Many of the elders still living went through that horror. But growing up elsewhere, we weren't taught a single word about it.

IMO history -- whether it's our own personal history or that of our city, state, or country -- should be examined and remembered, both the good parts and the not-so-good parts. How else can we learn?
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Somebody has tried to examine both the good and bad parts of our history, Howard Zinn in his book A People's History of the United States. "The book depicts the struggles of Native Americans against European and U.S. conquest and expansion, slaves against slavery, unionists and other workers against capitalists, women against patriarchy, and African-Americans for civil rights."

Guess who hates his perspective?
 
christiefan915 said:
Somebody has tried to examine both the good and bad parts of our history, Howard Zinn in his book A People's History of the United States. "The book depicts the struggles of Native Americans against European and U.S. conquest and expansion, slaves against slavery, unionists and other workers against capitalists, women against patriarchy, and African-Americans for civil rights."

Guess who hates his perspective?
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Yep. I've seen his name thrown around like an epithet for years now, by the Reichwingers.
 
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