I'm one progressive liberal who....

[Turgid Member]

With all due respect, it is indeed more than OK for liberals and progressives to take populist positions. What do you think the Civil Rights Movement was? Populism is the positions of Ignored people.

Juneteenth was meant to sound like Ebonics, thus there be no confusion where it came from. If you have a problem with Ebonics, that ain’t (eb) my problem, but it has absolutely nothing to do with you being a liberal either. Have you at least taken the time to read what Juneteenth was about before you criticized those who actually lived that time? That’s something I would be asking a conservative, not someone who calls themself a liberal. There is a reason we call ourselves African-American. We value the distinction.

I am in no way, shape, or form suggesting your thoughts are racist, but what I suggest is that as a liberal your thoughts should be more focused on substance and openness, less on regimentation and order. The ONLY purpose of language is communication, and most people with a brain can now associate Juneteenth with a serious issue. Whatever you’d rather call it would not be more effective.

That poster, I took issue with his referencing black people liking "chicken and watermelon" in the past, as well as his claims that unless blacks agree with his politics they are "uncle toms". I will suggest for you, this poster has some racist views.

 

[BidenPresident]

That poster, I took issue with his referencing black people liking "chicken and watermelon" in the past, as well as his claims that unless blacks agree with his politics they are "uncle toms". I will suggest for you, this poster has some racist views.

Seems so. He is awfully upset about a word.

 

[blackascoal]

Yep. I've seen his name thrown around like an epithet for years now, by the Reichwingers.

Howard Zinn was no reichwinger. In fact, he was the first white man to speak openly about Black Wall Street and the massacre that I had ever read.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

all progressive lib'ruls are idiots, regardless of what they call their holidays......

 

[blackascoal]

That poster, I took issue with his referencing black people liking "chicken and watermelon" in the past, as well as his claims that unless blacks agree with his politics they are "uncle toms". I will suggest for you, this poster has some racist views.

If in fact he has said that, it certainly makes clear his problem.

 

[Turgid Member]

If in fact he has said that, it certainly makes clear his problem.

I think that Marinara should open up an Uncle Tom Hall of Fame in his home town.

It could become like Cooperstown for watermelon-eating lawn jockeys and their racist white string-pullers.

There's a surprising amount of discussion over people having stated the obvious: Tim Scott is a repugnant, tap dancing, watermelon eating, textbook Uncle Tom.
I add my own voice to that of the overall African American community which very strongly holds this view.

Agreed.

But nevertheless,
Tim Scott is a pathetic, tap dancing, watermelon eating Uncle Tom.
That's who we're talking about right now.

I can't imagine a serious, dignified African American gentleman who wouldn't like to punch Scott right in the face after that disgusting speech.

ugh. The racism at this site seems to come from all directions.

 

[blackascoal]

ugh. The racism at this site seems to come from all directions.

Personally I have serious issues with Tim Scott and have called him an Uncle Tom, but I refrain from any watermelon references as it plays into the evil of the right. As a white man who claims to be a liberal, surely he should know better.

Agreed, the racism on this site is barely tolerable .. which is why I visit a lot less.

Thanks.

 

[Airstrip One]

Your interpretation doesn’t matter. It’s already happening .. and with great success.

Thanks for your support.

I fully support Defund. Residents of the effected areas should be forced to experience the messes they create.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Howard Zinn was no reichwinger. In fact, he was the first white man to speak openly about Black Wall Street and the massacre that I had ever read.

No, he was not a RWer, but he's hated by them so obviously he must be doing something right.

 

[Carmine]

Have you at least taken the time to read what Juneteenth was about before you criticized those who actually lived that time?

Yes, and thus understand what makes it an important day worthy of commemoration.

I admit to racial discomfort,
even though I fully support equal status under the law and equal opportunity for all ethnicities.

I disrespect no ethnicities who reside in our country, but as an Italian American, cannot pretend to understand them all.

Perhaps you might suggest a reason why I loathe hip hop culture and like the NHL more than the NBA.

I was all into black music, for example, beginning with the genius of Scott Joplin and Buddy Bolden and extending all the way to Stax-Volt.

When soul evolved into funk in the late 60s, however, I had no further emotional response to R&B and modern contemporay black music.
Segments of the African American Community, at that point in our history, made it clear that they were establishing their own apartheid.

Whitey was a chump. Reasons to be pissed? Absolutely.
But it was practically impossible to pick and choose the actual white offenders,
so now we were all guilty of abusing white privilege,
and thus the best way of dealing with us was to establish an Afro-Centric culture
in which we were hapless dorks in the eyes of the hip.

I am just like that myself.
I find cracker hicks to be crude and under-evolved.
I understand that hip hop culture now feels that way about me as well.

That informs my attitude towards racial relations, however.
I support color blindness as the approach toward domestic peace.
That's not what the African American community seeks anymore, however.
I don't quite understand what they seek, but it's not color blindness.

So now, as a progressive liberal, politically--some would even say Democratic Sociaiist although I prefer the European term. Social Democrat [wait for a comment from Oom],
I am often accused of racism by BOTH sides of the political spectrum.

Well, if I'm an inadvertent racist, I'm not one looking to screw you out of your civil rights and liberties.
The pachy racists would have a hard time saying the same.

 

[cawacko]

Yep. I've seen his name thrown around like an epithet for years now, by the Reichwingers.

The guy was a socialist/communist supporter who wrote more from the perspective that American was a fundamentally bad/evil country, as was capitalism. That's not going to win you too many fans on the right.

 

[Damocles]

That sounds mighty 'white' of you for that suggestion. I wonder how many Wokesters will support you?


"Juneteenth
Juneteenth – also known as Freedom Day, Jubilee Day, Liberation Day, and Emancipation Day – is a holiday celebrating the emancipation of those who had been enslaved in the United States. Originating in Galveston, Texas, it is now celebrated annually on June 19 throughout the United States, with varying official recognition.Wikipedia"

This really oversimplifies it and doesn't give the true story at all.

These folks were emancipated much earlier, this celebrates the time they found out that they had been lied to for some time.

https://www.npr.org/2015/06/19/4158...-day-slaves-in-texas-were-told-they-were-free

Slaveowners in the state of Texas had kept that news from the slaves for two years...

 

[blackascoal]

Yes, and thus understand what makes it an important day worthy of commemoration.

I admit to racial discomfort,
even though I fully support equal status under the law and equal opportunity for all ethnicities.

I disrespect no ethnicities who reside in our country, but as an Italian American, cannot pretend to understand them all.

Perhaps you might suggest a reason why I loathe hip hop culture and like the NHL more than the NBA.

I was all into black music, for example, beginning with the genius of Scott Joplin and Buddy Bolden and extending all the way to Stax-Volt.

When soul evolved into funk in the late 60s, however, I had no further emotional response to R&B and modern contemporay black music.
Segments of the African American Community, at that point in our history, made it clear that they were establishing their own apartheid.

Whitey was a chump. Reasons to be pissed? Absolutely.
But it was practically impossible to pick and choose the actual white offenders,
so now we were all guilty of abusing white privilege,
and thus the best way of dealing with us was to establish an Afro-Centric culture
in which we were hapless dorks in the eyes of the hip.

I am just like that myself.
I find cracker hicks to be crude and under-evolved.
I understand that hip hop culture now feels that way about me as well.

That informs my attitude towards racial relations, however.
I support color blindness as the approach toward domestic peace.
That's not what the African American community seeks anymore, however.
I don't quite understand what they seek, but it's not color blindness.

So now, as a progressive liberal, politically--some would even say Democratic Sociaiist although I prefer the European term. Social Democrat [wait for a comment from Oom],
I am often accused of racism by BOTH sides of the political spectrum.

Well, if I'm an inadvertent racist, I'm not one looking to screw you out of your civil rights and liberties.
The pachy racists would have a hard time saying the same.

There is no such thing as ‘color-blindness. Unless on is actually blind, it’s not possible not to see the person you’re standing next to. No, pretending to be blind solves nothing. What we want is the freedom to be whatever we want to be. The freedom of diversity. There is a lot I don’t understand about Italians, but I don’t judge them, certainly not in the way you feel you have to judge other people. It’s not just because you aren’t one of us that you don’t understand us,. There are millions of white people who do. It’s because you don’t want to understand. Too judgemental.

So you don’t like Hip Hop. It is the most lisented to and copied music on planet earth. It is in every country on the planet. It’s in country music, AND, the vast and overwhelming buyers of Hip Hop ARE WHITE. In other words, your participation is not required, not needed.

Hip Hop has made billionaires and millionaires many times over for black artists and entrepreneurs all over the world, most especially here in the US. Entirely legal, but you, a white guy who presumes to be a liberal doesn’t like it.

There is a reason why we call ourselves African-American.

 

[Jack]

This really oversimplifies it and doesn't give the true story at all.

These folks were emancipated much earlier, this celebrates the time they found out that they had been lied to for some time.

https://www.npr.org/2015/06/19/4158...-day-slaves-in-texas-were-told-they-were-free

Slaveowners in the state of Texas had kept that news from the slaves for two years...

It's all about the Money.
How eager are you to tell your Workers that the Minimum Wage has been increased?

 

[leaningright]

Personally I have serious issues with Tim Scott and have called him an Uncle Tom, but I refrain from any watermelon references as it plays into the evil of the right. As a white man who claims to be a liberal, surely he should know better.

Agreed, the racism on this site is barely tolerable .. which is why I visit a lot less.

Thanks.

Hey BAC, something you and I agree on 100%. A rarity indeed. But one can just place so many people on ignore...so I check in less frequently than in the past.

 

[Carmine]

So you don’t like Hip Hop. It is the most listened to and copied music on planet earth. It is in every country on the planet. It’s in country music, AND, the vast and overwhelming buyers of Hip Hop ARE WHITE. In other words, your participation is not required, not needed.

I absolutely hate hip hop, and it's good that my participation isn't needed.
Far be it from me to begrudge somebody making a living doing honest work,
or to begrudge somebody enjoying an art form that he/she likes, even if it seems like insufferable noise to me.

Try to understand that I'm not your enemy, BAC.
We share a lot of common concerns.
If we're not completely comfortable with one another,
things are better than they were
and we both favor them getting better still.

Let's just go with that, OK?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

HATES the word Juneteenth.

It sounds Ebonic and awful. I don't understand why our African American citizens don't find it demeaning.
I'm not even one myself, but I find it demeaning.
By all means, celebrate the day if it's meaningful to you.
Just give it a more dignified name.

I have had to change my racist ways through education and just life experience. There was a time when I was much younger that I would have agreed with you on what you just said.

But, through the years, I have taken a lighter approach by not criticizing minorities for their dress or slang as I now believe it is just a part of their culture, and I have grown to actually appreciate their cultures overall and I think their culture is just additions of our very own WHITE CULTURE- OR better said, OUR AMERICAN CULTURE!

We are all in this thing together man, and who cares what Blacks want to call their holidays- that we should all help them celebrate!

In the US, slavery was officially abolished with the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation. No one bothered to tell all the slaves in Texas until June 19, 1865.

The term Juneteenth is not Ebonic, as it just combines the June and 19th. If it bothers you just call it June 19th day- or Freedom For Blacks day or whatever you want to call it.

It's no different than White People calling Thanksgiving "Turkey Day"! It's a free country- that's what is important! And that is why this date is important for Black People- as it is their official Independence Day- and that name, as a holiday, is already taken.

 

[cawacko]

Hey BAC, something you and I agree on 100%. A rarity indeed. But one can just place so many people on ignore...so I check in less frequently than in the past.

This is an anonymous political message board so I don't expect this to be a love fest but to your point it's gotten bad. The racism and the amount of trolling and negativity is far more today than it was a decade ago. It is what it is but it's too bad.

 

[Carmine]

The lizard is a nicer guy than I.
Doubt if that surprises anybody.

I like what I like, Geeko.

I'm not asking BAC to play Pavarotti on his iPod.

 

[cawacko]

Yes, and thus understand what makes it an important day worthy of commemoration.

I admit to racial discomfort,
even though I fully support equal status under the law and equal opportunity for all ethnicities.

I disrespect no ethnicities who reside in our country, but as an Italian American, cannot pretend to understand them all.

Perhaps you might suggest a reason why I loathe hip hop culture and like the NHL more than the NBA.

I was all into black music, for example, beginning with the genius of Scott Joplin and Buddy Bolden and extending all the way to Stax-Volt.

When soul evolved into funk in the late 60s, however, I had no further emotional response to R&B and modern contemporay black music.
Segments of the African American Community, at that point in our history, made it clear that they were establishing their own apartheid.

Whitey was a chump. Reasons to be pissed? Absolutely.
But it was practically impossible to pick and choose the actual white offenders,
so now we were all guilty of abusing white privilege,
and thus the best way of dealing with us was to establish an Afro-Centric culture
in which we were hapless dorks in the eyes of the hip.

I am just like that myself.
I find cracker hicks to be crude and under-evolved.
I understand that hip hop culture now feels that way about me as well.

That informs my attitude towards racial relations, however.
I support color blindness as the approach toward domestic peace.
That's not what the African American community seeks anymore, however.
I don't quite understand what they seek, but it's not color blindness.

So now, as a progressive liberal, politically--some would even say Democratic Sociaiist although I prefer the European term. Social Democrat [wait for a comment from Oom],
I am often accused of racism by BOTH sides of the political spectrum.

Well, if I'm an inadvertent racist, I'm not one looking to screw you out of your civil rights and liberties.
The pachy racists would have a hard time saying the same.

I'm still blown away at your calling Tim Scott a watermelon eating Uncle Tom. We talk a lot about white supremacy but what is white supremacy if not telling black people that you aren't black unless you think (or behave) a certain way? As a white person has anyone ever told you that you aren't white because of how you think?

Just think about that. Why should someone have restrictions on what they can think or believe because of their race? To be clear, I'm in no way saying you can't think Tim Scott is wrong to believe what he does. But stating that is very different than saying he's not black and is a (watermelon eating) Uncle Tom because you don't like what he believes.

That is dictionary definition of white supremacy to me.