If the best you can do is resort to a dumb question it's better to shut up. The answer makes no difference to the responsibility of the Federal Government to manage its millions of square acres of forest, some millions of them now or lately on fire, if the failure of such "management" is the issue.
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If the best you can do is resort to a dumb question it's better to shut up. The answer makes no difference to the responsibility of the Federal Government to manage its millions of square acres of forest, some millions of them now or lately on fire, if the failure of such "management" is the issue.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Of course it makes a difference. All Cali had to do was protect homeowners, NOT millions of acres of wild natural forests.
Good of you to recognize that "millions of acres of wild natural forests" are not reasonably subject to management. I'll look again but I didn't see any mention of "controlled burns" or "clearing leaves". This is different from the senseless argument we've been hearing about the fault of the Governor. The neighborhoods that burned were in the paths of the massive fires that spawned in and exploded from those forests. Just a modicum of reason like that hinted at in your post would help keep us all in a realm of reality instead of the witless realms this forum and others like it regularly fly into.
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Some large natural fires, in Nature, are unavoidable. This is basic environmental science. All you can do is focus on protecting Homes.
And typically, the only people living on Federal Land are gov't employees. But go ahead and keep the percentage of homes on Federal land a big secret.
I would say Martin is getting bitch slapped here. Good job!
They do logging, I have seen zillions racing down the hill on small one lane roads........
There are also many private stands in the state........
I see ppl posting shit on social media-this is what a forest should look like...
I guess they think the fuckin elves are going to manicure it??Maybe deer & bear eat the trees???
A natural forest has burn all over it, that is the natural order........
Since they can't let it burn since ppl have moved out there, the other alternatives are log them out, or let mother nature take care of it........
Yep...... The major source in the recent fires is lightening, particularly dry lightening-no rain associated w/ it...
Ppl don't seem to realize that when they go out & stop a fire, they are not preventing fire, but prolonging it..
The north complex fire burning now in Northern Calif is an example..
The south complex burned a few years ago & they managed to get it out~now the rest is burning...........
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Damocles,
Well we can't prove it but it is widely accepted. Given that it is a very real possibility, even if not proven, the wise thing for us to do is assume it is real and act accordingly. Especially since there is a big lag time between our collective actions and the climate actually changing.
Kinda like baking a turkey doesn't happen in 5 minutes, changing a planet's climate doesn't happen in 5 years.
If we want to be sure humans have the best shot at agreeable climate in decades and centuries to come, we have to take action now. If we get it wrong, there is no easy fix for that. Big problems. So we need to take the wise precaution and make sure humanity's habitat is as safe as can be, given what we can realistically do.
Well we can't prove it but it is widely accepted. Given that it is a very real possibility, even if not proven, the wise thing for us to do is assume it is real and act accordingly. Especially since there is a big lag time between our collective actions and the climate actually changing.
Kinda like baking a turkey doesn't happen in 5 minutes, changing a planet's climate doesn't happen in 5 years.
If we want to be sure humans have the best shot at agreeable climate in decades and centuries to come, we have to take action now. If we get it wrong, there is no easy fix for that. Big problems. So we need to take the wise precaution and make sure humanity's habitat is as safe as can be, given what we can realistically do.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Bill,
I guess if it's not too steep for roads then it can be logged.
True, it makes no sense to build and let fuel accumulate forever.
I always wonder about that when watching 'Off Grid Build.'
These people all want a cabin in the woods but few of them look able to sustain a wildfire. Some episodes even have to suspend building because fire getting too close. Like, if you needed a warning, here's your sign?
But why did all these people have the idea they could have a cabin in the woods?
Was the climate more conducive to that in the past? And it's now changing?
They do logging, I have seen zillions racing down the hill on small one lane roads........
There are also many private stands in the state........
I see ppl posting shit on social media-this is what a forest should look like...
Maybe deer & bear eat the trees???
A natural forest has burn all over it, that is the natural order........
Since they can't let it burn since ppl have moved out there, the other alternatives are log them out, or let mother nature take care of it........
I guess if it's not too steep for roads then it can be logged.
True, it makes no sense to build and let fuel accumulate forever.
I always wonder about that when watching 'Off Grid Build.'
These people all want a cabin in the woods but few of them look able to sustain a wildfire. Some episodes even have to suspend building because fire getting too close. Like, if you needed a warning, here's your sign?
But why did all these people have the idea they could have a cabin in the woods?
Was the climate more conducive to that in the past? And it's now changing?
Calif is a massive state w/ over 33 million acres of forest, so yea, lots of it can be logged, not all of it, & "raking" isn't going to work on much of it.......
I dunno when they "assumed" their gawd given right to have their property protected @ all costs out in the middle of nowhere, but da gubment has been spending Billions & lost lives to protect it..........
"you build, you & your insurance assume the risk"...........
I have had land out there for the last 30+ years & no more..
Two of those are now threatened in the current North complex fire but really it is just a matter of time before they'll burn.. I just looked @ goggle earth & all the trees etc are still there + one new house..........
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Bill,
Actually, most of those 'Off Grid Build' episodes are people with enough wealth to have a second home in the woods, not a primary residence. If it's just a get-away place and they want to assume the risk then they should have that freedom. It's the ones that put everything into it and make it the primary that are setting themselves up for great loss.
What's worse are all the ones who have to have waterfront as the primary, just daring mother nature to flood or toss a hurricane on over. Does the insurance cost really reflect that risk? I know they pay more, but isn't everybody paying a bit more to cover part of their risk? I mean, we all fund FEMA. And every time there's another big destructive weather crisis, FEMA comes in with billions. It even happened in Puerto Rico now that Trump needs more votes to try to carry Florida...
Actually, most of those 'Off Grid Build' episodes are people with enough wealth to have a second home in the woods, not a primary residence. If it's just a get-away place and they want to assume the risk then they should have that freedom. It's the ones that put everything into it and make it the primary that are setting themselves up for great loss.
What's worse are all the ones who have to have waterfront as the primary, just daring mother nature to flood or toss a hurricane on over. Does the insurance cost really reflect that risk? I know they pay more, but isn't everybody paying a bit more to cover part of their risk? I mean, we all fund FEMA. And every time there's another big destructive weather crisis, FEMA comes in with billions. It even happened in Puerto Rico now that Trump needs more votes to try to carry Florida...
Yes, my point exactly.. No additional monies or lives should be spent protecting "their" property built in areas naturally prone to "wild fires"..
I agree, as they are doing in New Jersey....... Those ppl bitch & moan till the government, aka you & I & the others here pay for their stupid fuckin mistakes of building a house on sand, on a beach prone to storms....
Their house, their insurance, their loss........
Arks&sparka
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But not the arsonists running around setting fire to everything? You want us to believe it's climate change causing wild fires?
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Arks&sparka
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We'll make up a global disaster to blame someone else. It's so predictable I'd be shocked if they actually took responsibility.
The climate change thing is about trying to undermine the petroleum industry. That's why electric cars are magically green despite the mining and refining of rare earth minerals.
Why would they want to undermine the petrochemical industry you might ask? Well it's because this industry represents 8%of gdp do big money and they donate to Republicans.
So it's all about money.
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A “potential connection” between anthropogenic global warming and the frequency or intensity of wildfires in California has yet to emerge in the trend observations.
Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).
https://journals.ametsoc.org/bams/a...-Northern-California-Wildfires-of-8-9-October
Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).
https://journals.ametsoc.org/bams/a...-Northern-California-Wildfires-of-8-9-October
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Bill,
Heard that, thanks.
I'm starting to think if the govt has to bail out a property owner, then the govt owns the land and it never gets built on again. Becomes parkland. Simple - done. Won't have to bail it out again.
Heard that, thanks.
I'm starting to think if the govt has to bail out a property owner, then the govt owns the land and it never gets built on again. Becomes parkland. Simple - done. Won't have to bail it out again.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Damocles posted a relevant study that said ...
"the best-available science suggests 4.4 and 12 million acres burned in California annually before the arrival of Europeans."
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-Environmental-Alarmism-Makes-Them-Worse-Than
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They do logging, I have seen zillions racing down the hill on small one lane roads........
There are also many private stands in the state........
I see ppl posting shit on social media-this is what a forest should look like...
Maybe deer & bear eat the trees???
A natural forest has burn all over it, that is the natural order........
Since they can't let it burn since ppl have moved out there, the other alternatives are log them out, or let mother nature take care of it........
It's different to townies in England moving to their thatched cottage in the countryside and then complaining about the smell of manure.
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Smarting Martin!!
In 1988, Dr. James Hansen testified before the Senate that if we did not act in 12 years, the damage would be irreversible.
The ship you are talking about has already sailed and it sailed long before the President started his first campaign for President.
In truth, Obama promised that people would look back on his tenure saying that problem was no longer getting worse- that the healing had started.
So... problems solved!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/547906-this-was-the-moment-when-the-rise-of-the-oceans
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Barack Obama
“this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..."~~Barack Obama upon winning the Democratic nomination for presidency conveys his thinking of what that means ....for the world, Tuesday, JUNE 03, 2008”
― Barack Obama
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