Not sure why anyone would want to celebrate their laziness. But, we live in strange times where the laziest among us think they're entitled to everything.
Is Elite College Worth It? Maybe Not
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Not sure why anyone would want to celebrate their laziness. But, we live in strange times where the laziest among us think they're entitled to everything.
He's belongs to the kind that thinks "Liberal Arts" is acutally Libral ….it's the purpose of this thread....it's why right wingers demonize degrees in anything but business.
Because it has the word Liberal in it..that's how dumb and shallow they are.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I have a cousin who got his doctorate in one of those podunk schools.....I think it was Ohio State.....he's a professor at Iowa State now teaching turf management to students in golf course management.....written a few books.......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
so should everyone else...
Isn't that the truth? When I went to LSU the only criteria for getting in for in staters was a h.s. diploma. Freshmen dorms in the fall semester were a non stop party or noise.
In spring they were more than half empty.
Fortunately that's all changed, they now have standards but the smaller state U's are still the same.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Controlled Opposition,
Yeah, I tend to be biased towards wanting individuals of good repute on the SCOTUS.
Your bias is showing.
The relevancy between the Kav hearings and the Republican's relentless pursuit of wrongdoing in the Banghazi incident is the stark hypocrisy of Republicans. Ongoing investigation after investigation of the Democratic Secretary of State, but a single pretend mock one into the allegations against a Republican SCOTUS nominee.
Yeah, I tend to be biased towards wanting individuals of good repute on the SCOTUS.
Your bias is showing.
The relevancy between the Kav hearings and the Republican's relentless pursuit of wrongdoing in the Banghazi incident is the stark hypocrisy of Republicans. Ongoing investigation after investigation of the Democratic Secretary of State, but a single pretend mock one into the allegations against a Republican SCOTUS nominee.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello anonymoose,
Socialist Norway is a very high quality of life place to be. But you meant college. That has me wondering. I wonder which colleges produce the highest quality of life for their students and those who may work for them as employees?
Do elite colleges tend to graduate good employers?
Or ruthless scum that nobody likes to work for.......... (such as Donald Trump)
Socialist Norway is a very high quality of life place to be. But you meant college. That has me wondering. I wonder which colleges produce the highest quality of life for their students and those who may work for them as employees?
Do elite colleges tend to graduate good employers?
Or ruthless scum that nobody likes to work for.......... (such as Donald Trump)
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cawacko
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Op-ed from some dude at the WaPo who went to Harvard arguing the need for over concerned parents to relax about where their kids go to school. As a new parent I'm all gung ho that my daughter only go to the best schools. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's the right fit for her.
For those of you who have raised your kids how "stressed" did you get over them getting into the best schools?
Dear Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman: You wasted your money
Dear Lori Loughlin, Felicity Huffman and other rich parents who got their children into selective colleges with bribes:
Let me explain something to you. I went to Harvard, which accepts only 5 percent of applicants. I confess that when I opened the acceptance letter, I thought great wealth and power would soon be mine. So why have I spent my life being ordered around by people who attended less-selective schools?
I'm not complaining. I love my work. But I have always wondered why smart people like you assume getting into an Ivy League school, or its equivalent, guarantees success.
What about the giants of film and business who didn't go to selective universities? I will cite the acceptance rate reported by U.S. News & World Report for each college I mention.
Steven Spielberg attended California State University at Long Beach (29 percent of applicants accepted).
Warren Buffett graduated from the University of Nebraska (64 percent). In addition to Buffett, the other CEOs of the top five companies on the 2018 Fortune 500 list went to these schools: University of Arkansas (66 percent), Texas A&M University (70 percent), Auburn University (84 percent) and Illinois State University (89 percent). The evening news anchors at ABC, CBS and NBC attended Ithaca College (71 percent), Syracuse University (47 percent) and California State University at Sacramento (68 percent).
Permit me to get personal. Here are the colleges of The Washington Post managing editors, deputy managing editors and local editor, who have the power to fire me: University of Maryland at College Park (44 percent), Northwestern University (9 percent), Brown University (9 percent), Kalamazoo College (73 percent), University of Colorado at Boulder (80 percent) and Pomona College in California (8 percent).
There are a few grads from ultra-selective schools in that group, but they all answer to executive editor Martin Baron. He was played by Liev Schreiber (Hampshire College in Massachusetts, 64 percent) in the Oscar-winning best picture "Spotlight," about his leadership of the Boston Globe. Baron graduated from Lehigh University in Pennsylvania (25 percent).
Don't forget Frederick J. Ryan Jr., The Post's publisher and chief executive (University of Southern California, 16 percent). Many of you paid big money to get your kids illegally into his alma mater, but it is not as selective as other schools in the scandal, such as Stanford University (5 percent) and Yale University (7 percent).
I realize The Post's owner, Amazon founder and chief executive Jeffrey P. Bezos, went to Princeton University (6 percent). But the Ivy League had little to teach him about how to become the world's richest person. Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, almost as wealthy, realized that early and dropped out of Harvard after two years.
Do your homework. Ultra-selective-college diplomas don't correlate with better pay. Researchers Stacy Berg Dale and Alan B. Krueger looked at 30 schools, the most selective being Yale and Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania. They found that students who were admitted to the most-selective schools but who decided to attend less-selective colleges did not sacrifice anything in future pay: They wound up 20 years later earning as much as peers who went to selective schools. The scholars concluded that monetary success was the result of character traits such as persistence and warmth acquired long before we go to college.
The exception, they said: low-income students, who on average were better paid if they attended a more-selective school. The data also indicate women made more if they went to more-selective schools because they were less likely to marry and put their careers on hold for child-rearing.
There are ways for desperate parents like you to get your kids into selective colleges without risking indictment. They could enroll at less-selective colleges, do well and transfer to an Ivy after a year or two. That path was taken by the two most recent U.S. presidents, and me.
The presidents of the past two decades have all been Ivy League alums. But those brand-name diplomas do not guarantee success in office. Ronald Reagan was preceded by U.S. Naval Academy (8 percent) graduate Jimmy Carter and succeeded by Yale graduate George H.W. Bush. Reagan attended Eureka College in Illinois (62 percent), yet historians rank him ninth among all presidents, while Bush is 20th and Carter 26th.
Change is possible. The Post's 2020 Power Rankings for Democrats seeking their party's presidential nomination show Joe Biden (University of Delaware, 60 percent) and Sen. Kamala D. Harris (Howard University, 41 percent) ranked No. 1 and No. 2, respectively.
Think about the powerful people you know. I'll bet most of them did not attend colleges that are nearly impossible to get into. If you had encouraged kindness, humor and hard work in your children, they would have done fine. And you would have had to spend much less money on lawyers.
Sincerely, Jay Mathews.
https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Dear-Lori-Loughlin-and-Felicity-Huffman-You-13708375.php
For those of you who have raised your kids how "stressed" did you get over them getting into the best schools?
Dear Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman: You wasted your money
Dear Lori Loughlin, Felicity Huffman and other rich parents who got their children into selective colleges with bribes:
Let me explain something to you. I went to Harvard, which accepts only 5 percent of applicants. I confess that when I opened the acceptance letter, I thought great wealth and power would soon be mine. So why have I spent my life being ordered around by people who attended less-selective schools?
I'm not complaining. I love my work. But I have always wondered why smart people like you assume getting into an Ivy League school, or its equivalent, guarantees success.
What about the giants of film and business who didn't go to selective universities? I will cite the acceptance rate reported by U.S. News & World Report for each college I mention.
Steven Spielberg attended California State University at Long Beach (29 percent of applicants accepted).
Warren Buffett graduated from the University of Nebraska (64 percent). In addition to Buffett, the other CEOs of the top five companies on the 2018 Fortune 500 list went to these schools: University of Arkansas (66 percent), Texas A&M University (70 percent), Auburn University (84 percent) and Illinois State University (89 percent). The evening news anchors at ABC, CBS and NBC attended Ithaca College (71 percent), Syracuse University (47 percent) and California State University at Sacramento (68 percent).
Permit me to get personal. Here are the colleges of The Washington Post managing editors, deputy managing editors and local editor, who have the power to fire me: University of Maryland at College Park (44 percent), Northwestern University (9 percent), Brown University (9 percent), Kalamazoo College (73 percent), University of Colorado at Boulder (80 percent) and Pomona College in California (8 percent).
There are a few grads from ultra-selective schools in that group, but they all answer to executive editor Martin Baron. He was played by Liev Schreiber (Hampshire College in Massachusetts, 64 percent) in the Oscar-winning best picture "Spotlight," about his leadership of the Boston Globe. Baron graduated from Lehigh University in Pennsylvania (25 percent).
Don't forget Frederick J. Ryan Jr., The Post's publisher and chief executive (University of Southern California, 16 percent). Many of you paid big money to get your kids illegally into his alma mater, but it is not as selective as other schools in the scandal, such as Stanford University (5 percent) and Yale University (7 percent).
I realize The Post's owner, Amazon founder and chief executive Jeffrey P. Bezos, went to Princeton University (6 percent). But the Ivy League had little to teach him about how to become the world's richest person. Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, almost as wealthy, realized that early and dropped out of Harvard after two years.
Do your homework. Ultra-selective-college diplomas don't correlate with better pay. Researchers Stacy Berg Dale and Alan B. Krueger looked at 30 schools, the most selective being Yale and Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania. They found that students who were admitted to the most-selective schools but who decided to attend less-selective colleges did not sacrifice anything in future pay: They wound up 20 years later earning as much as peers who went to selective schools. The scholars concluded that monetary success was the result of character traits such as persistence and warmth acquired long before we go to college.
The exception, they said: low-income students, who on average were better paid if they attended a more-selective school. The data also indicate women made more if they went to more-selective schools because they were less likely to marry and put their careers on hold for child-rearing.
There are ways for desperate parents like you to get your kids into selective colleges without risking indictment. They could enroll at less-selective colleges, do well and transfer to an Ivy after a year or two. That path was taken by the two most recent U.S. presidents, and me.
The presidents of the past two decades have all been Ivy League alums. But those brand-name diplomas do not guarantee success in office. Ronald Reagan was preceded by U.S. Naval Academy (8 percent) graduate Jimmy Carter and succeeded by Yale graduate George H.W. Bush. Reagan attended Eureka College in Illinois (62 percent), yet historians rank him ninth among all presidents, while Bush is 20th and Carter 26th.
Change is possible. The Post's 2020 Power Rankings for Democrats seeking their party's presidential nomination show Joe Biden (University of Delaware, 60 percent) and Sen. Kamala D. Harris (Howard University, 41 percent) ranked No. 1 and No. 2, respectively.
Think about the powerful people you know. I'll bet most of them did not attend colleges that are nearly impossible to get into. If you had encouraged kindness, humor and hard work in your children, they would have done fine. And you would have had to spend much less money on lawyers.
Sincerely, Jay Mathews.
https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Dear-Lori-Loughlin-and-Felicity-Huffman-You-13708375.php
Sounds plausible.
On a related tangent, you know which message boarders are the most likely to complain about the horrors of "liberal indoctrination" being conducted on students at universities?
Yep, that's right. The ones doing the most complaining are the ones that never went to college, or even set foot in a college classroom.
Hey, you got 211 responses on an actual topic without it shrinking into personal insults, that in self is an accomplishment
Resenting an imaginary "elite" entity is part of some conservative thought, political leanings on some levels does have a relevance, just the name "Harvard" create stereotypes in many conservative circles
cawacko
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Harvard creates stereotypes in liberal circles as well. It's why so many people want to go there. It's associated with being the best (now getting into Harvard doesn't make one a better person than someone else).
The whole premise is this desire to get into the top schools and is it really worth it. That's what the economists quoted in the article discuss.
But that's not what you wanted to talk about, though.
You wanted to talk about degree programs, a topic not mentioned in your Op-Ed.
So when we did discuss it, you got whiny, screechy, and bitchy, claiming that I misrepresented you by quoting you directly.
Let's see, would rather be "indoctrinated" by a "liberal professor" or rush limpballs?
rolling my eyes...…..
I was in college for 8+ years, and I never really saw these horrific liberal indoctrination experiments going on in class rooms.
Maybe I was just in the wrong classes!
It's right wing rhetoric. There is no such thing as liberal indoctrination, if that's the case then all education is liberal...….which makes sense since the racist right never wanted Blacks educated anyway. I can see the correlation of why they call it liberal and why they demonize education.
They demonize anything that gets in the way of white privilege.
Not at all.
Having been through the heartbreak of getting a "good" education and then the heartbreak of starting a business I understand completely that a good education is just a start. I doesn't guarantee anything.
I started with what seemed at the time an insurmountable amount of student loans and it took well over a decade for me to be in the black financially.
8+ years? How did you swing that one? Must have been living on cheap wine and cheese
In all these discussions I always wondered if a Liberal Education is supposedly an entity there must be an antithesis, so what exactly is a Conservative Education?