Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead

Decent men unwilling to touch willing women are like unicorns..or gay.
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That all really depends. I remember hearing about the misogyny of gay men. Feminists wrote articles about how gay men sexually assaulted them in gay clubs.
 
There are honorably Republicans who will hopefully hold McConnell to his claim that a new judge should not be appointed in an election year.

Agreed, but honor, truth and justice are in much shorter supply these days than in the past. Trump didn't cause it, he's the result of that lack of supply. Honorable Republicans would have stood against his repeated lies and attacks on the military. They didn't. Due to that fact, I doubt they'll stop an appointment as Trump's last big "Fuck You" to the American public.
 
Stupid fuck, ... Ginsburg was confirmed in 42 days.


"Ginsburg's passing sets stage for contentious political fight ...fortune.com › 2020/09/18 › ruth-bader-ginsburg-death...
7 hours ago - FYI, the fastest Supreme Court confirmation in the past 30 years took 42 days. That was for Justice Ginsburg, in 1993.

You think Senate could do a 42 day confirmation with an election in the middle? You are not including the time to nominate Ginsburg.

In other words, it just is not possible. No one could start until December, so while it would be possible by late January, the only reason to even try would be if trump loses. That will make the Republicans look very bad.
 
Link? Gotta prove it.

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According to Senate records, Justices Ginsburg, John Paul Stevens, and Sandra Day O’Connor were all confirmed in a short period of time.

Stevens’s confirmation in 1975 took 19 days, O’Connor’s confirmation in 1981 took 33 days, and Ginsburg’s confirmation in 1993 took 42 days.


https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/18/three-supreme-court-justices-were-confirmed-in-less-than-45-days-including-ginsburg/#.X2V7k_7EAU8.twitter
 
That all really depends. I remember hearing about the misogyny of gay men. Feminists wrote articles about how gay men sexually assaulted them in gay clubs.

There is some misogyny among gays but I think that's a cultural thing among NY or LA gays. I've read articles about it, mostly because bigotry and hate within a rights movement is detrimental to the movement. This includes both women's rights in general and the LGBTQ in particular.

Still, the key factor is consenting adults. What consenting adults do is no one's business but their own.
 
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According to Senate records, Justices Ginsburg, John Paul Stevens, and Sandra Day O’Connor were all confirmed in a short period of time.

Stevens’s confirmation in 1975 took 19 days, O’Connor’s confirmation in 1981 took 33 days, and Ginsburg’s confirmation in 1993 took 42 days.


https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/18/three-supreme-court-justices-were-confirmed-in-less-than-45-days-including-ginsburg/#.X2V7k_7EAU8.twitter

Days before an election?
 
Days before an election?

Slow Joe said there should be no delay.

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In my 36-year tenure in the United States Senate — nearly half of it as chairman or ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee — I presided or helped preside over nine nominees to the Supreme Court, from both Republican and Democratic presidents. That’s more than anyone else alive today.

In every instance we adhered to the process explicitly laid out in the Constitution: The president has the constitutional duty to nominate; the Senate has the constitutional obligation to provide advice and consent. It is written plainly in the Constitution that both presidents and senators swear an oath to uphold and defend.

That’s why I was so surprised and saddened to see Republican leaders tell President Obama and me that they would not even consider a Supreme Court nominee this year. No meetings. No hearings. No votes. Nothing. It is an unprecedented act of obstruction. And it risks a stain on the legacy of all those complicit in carrying out this plan. I would ask my friends and colleagues — and all those who love the Senate — to think long and hard before going down this road.

Some have taken comments I made in 1992 to mean that I supported the same kind of obstructionist position as a senator. But that reading distorts the broader meaning of the speech I gave from the Senate floor that year.

It was late June, and at the time there was much speculation that a sitting justice would retire, leaving President George H.W. Bush to appoint a successor in the final months of his first term.

We had been through several highly contentious Supreme Court confirmation hearings during my tenure, and I feared that a nomination at that late date, just a few weeks before the presidential conventions, would create immense political acrimony. So I called on the president to wait until after the election to submit a nomination if a sitting justice were to create a vacancy by retiring before November. And if the president declined to do that, I recommended that the Judiciary Committee not hold hearings “until after the political campaign season is over.”

Those brief statements were part of a much more extensive speech that reviewed the history of Supreme Court nomination fights during election years. My purpose was not to obstruct, but to call for two important goals: restoring a more consultative process between the White House and the Senate in filling Supreme Court vacancies, and encouraging the nomination of a consensus candidate who could lower the partisan temperature in the country.

It is the same view I hold today.

Throughout that speech, and throughout my career, I’ve argued that the Senate has an important role to play. This involves the president’s seeking advice from its leaders before making a nomination — as President Obama has done and will continue to do — and the Senate’s examining candidates before deciding whether to consent to their appointments.

Under my chairmanship, every Supreme Court nominee was given a hearing and a vote in the Judiciary Committee. And I made sure every nominee was given a full vote on the floor of the Senate, even those whose initial vote in the Judiciary Committee had failed, and even those whom I opposed. Only those who withdrew did not get floor votes. This position earned me the anger of my own party. But I believed strongly that the Constitution, clearly and plainly, calls for all 100 senators to advise and consent on nominees — not just the handful on the Judiciary Committee.

As a senator, I zealously guarded the rights of the Senate. As vice president, I hold the same view. But the framers also intended for the president to fulfill a clear constitutional responsibility. President Obama will do that by putting forth a nominee who will be eminently qualified, who recognizes the limits of the judiciary, who is fair-minded and who has an unimpeachable record. The Senate will need to fulfill its constitutional responsibility by considering, debating and voting on that nominee.

I know there is an argument that no nominee should be voted on in the last year of a presidency. But there is nothing in the Constitution — or our history — to support this view. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was confirmed in the last year of Ronald Reagan’s second term. I know. I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee at the time. And we promptly gave him a hearing, a vote in committee and a full vote on the floor.

As I write this, nearly all Republican senators have said that they will refuse to consider any nominee — sight unseen. At a time when we need to reduce the gridlock in our politics, this would extend Congress’s dysfunction to the Supreme Court — preventing it from functioning as our founders intended for a year and possibly longer.

In my 1992 speech, I noted that in the five cases in which justices were confirmed in the summer of an election year, all five were filling vacancies that had arisen before the summer began. That is the case now. We still have time to proceed with hearings and a vote before we reach the summer conventions and fall campaign.

I hope that Republican leaders will take a step back and think about what they are doing. I hope they will think about the oaths they have taken. I hope they will think about their responsibility to the voters of this nation. And I hope they will think about their role in upholding the integrity of the United States Senate.

If they love the Senate as much as I do, they need to act.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/opinion/joe-biden-the-senates-duty-to-advise-and-consent.html
 
There is some misogyny among gays but I think that's a cultural thing among NY or LA gays. I've read articles about it, mostly because bigotry and hate within a rights movement is detrimental to the movement. This includes both women's rights in general and the LGBTQ in particular.

Still, the key factor is consenting adults. What consenting adults do is no one's business but their own.

Is it misogyny or is it just disinterest. People seem to confuse that with hatred.

I think there is a lot of hatred for gay men among feminists because they are part of it. That isn't misogyny any more than disinterest in men among lesbians is misandry.

Feminists were lying because they don't like men only type groups.
 
So? What is the right thing to do for all Americans?

Slow Joe seemed to know.

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"I know there is an argument that no nominee should be voted on in the last year of a presidency.

But there is nothing in the Constitution — or our history — to support this view.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was confirmed in the last year of Ronald Reagan’s second term.

I know. I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee at the time. And we promptly gave him a hearing, a vote in committee and a full vote on the floor.

I hope that Republican leaders will take a step back and think about what they are doing. I hope they will think about the oaths they have taken. I hope they will think about their responsibility to the voters of this nation. And I hope they will think about their role in upholding the integrity of the United States Senate.

If they love the Senate as much as I do, they need to act".


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/opinion/joe-biden-the-senates-duty-to-advise-and-consent.html
 
Illiberalism on the Court is definitely a bad thing.

Illiberalism in any part of our government, State or Federal, is a bad thing. The two major political parties themselves are too illiberal for my tastes.

There's a reason why there are more Independents than in either of the two major parties. It wasn't like that back in the 80s and earlier.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
 
Yes. Mitch, being Head Republican Hypocrite (HRH), will do his best to jam it through before the Inauguration. They probably won't be able to do it before the election...and if they did, they could end up winning the battle but losing the war. After the election, Mitch would have little to lose. He's already betrayed his oath and sold his soul to Trump.
It all about his legacy. Moscow Mitch has pushed through more than 200 Heritage Foundation judges. He's proud of his work. Murkowski and Collins are up to their old tricks I see...making noise about what should be, but will fall in line in the 11th hour. It will be interesting to see what Romney does.


If the vote doesn't take place until after the election, this could be interesting. All Republicans are deathly afraid of the base. If they lose their race(s), maybe they'll have a moment of guilt and do the right thing?
 
They will probably try to complete the confirmation process before the Senate adjourns the end of December.

They can speed up the process by nominating a woman so there are no women coming forward.
I was thinking that today. I can't wait to see who that would be?
 
"In November 2013, Senate Democrats led by Harry Reid used the nuclear option to eliminate the 60-vote rule on executive branch nominations and federal judicial appointments, but not for the Supreme Court. In April 2017, Senate Republicans led by Mitch McConnell extended the nuclear option to Supreme Court nominations in order to end debate on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch."

Dems should have never set that precedent. It came back to haunt them. Republicans were "forced" to use it on SC nominees because the Democrats were blocking the nominee.

Republicans first threatened to use it when the Democrats were blocking Bush's appointments.

The point of having the majority is to achieve the goals of your side. Both sides use the same tactics when necessary--it is not any more unethical for one to use it than the other. Only partisan bias pretends one side is more justified than the other.
It doesn't really matter what Dems did. McConnell would have employed the N.O no matter what. It's a shame Ginsburg passed. I was sure that the last thing McTurtle would do if they lost the Senate, was to do away with the nuclear option for SC justices.
 
It doesn't really matter what Dems did. McConnell would have employed the N.O no matter what. It's a shame Ginsburg passed. I was sure that the last thing McTurtle would do if they lost the Senate, was to do away with the nuclear option for SC justices.

The new Senate could change the rule back.
 
Is it misogyny or is it just disinterest. People seem to confuse that with hatred.

I think there is a lot of hatred for gay men among feminists because they are part of it. That isn't misogyny any more than disinterest in men among lesbians is misandry.

Feminists were lying because they don't like men only type groups.
Misogyny is close enough to become hatred:

mi·sog·y·ny /məˈsäjənē/
noun dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.
"she felt she was struggling against thinly disguised misogyny"


Certainly any group of people have their haters and assholes, but why do you think "a lot" of feminists hate gays? Why do you think feminists hate men groups? Don't they have their own women-only groups?
 
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