The oversupply for US refineries in the Midwest remains unchanged.
I like that we get a price discount on oil, why don't you?
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The oversupply for US refineries in the Midwest remains unchanged.
I like that we get a price discount on oil, why don't you?
Once more for the IDIOT: this is about REFINING a product they currently CANNOT refine in Canada. Dumbass.
Take your own advice you dumb, uninformed, low IQ, uneducated cunt.
You don't seem to know what it was for because you keep running into conflict with TransCanada.
You need to get your shit together, bruh.
This isn't about the global market for oil. This isn't about the US market for oil. This is about the LACK of refining capacity for tar sands in Canada. If they cannot get it to refinieries capable of refining it in the US, there is no market.
Stop being a dumb, uninformed, uneducated, mentally challenged cunt.
This isn't about the oversupply. This isn't about the US market for oil. This is about the LACK of refining capacity for tar sands in Canada. If they cannot get it to refinieries capable of refining it in the US, there is no market.
Stop being a dumb, uninformed, uneducated, mentally challenged cunt.
No, it will go through Oklahoma, but the end point is the Gulf.
And this doesn't change the fact that PADD III has global access, but PADD II does not, therefore demand in PADD III is going to be higher than demand in PADD II because PADD III is global access and PADD II is US Midwest access.
Ah, and once it is refined, then where does it go? On a tanker for someplace overseas.
Currently, it can only go to the US Midwest.
That is ALL they ship. So you're completely fucking wrong, as usual.
You should stop making shit up as you go because it comes through in the diminishing quality of your posts.
You're the one who didn't know that.
You're the one who didn't know that we get the sludge from Alberta right now.
You screamed for me to give you the link to their permit application because you didn't believe that the sludge is oversupplied in PADD II.
Then you tried to say TC didn't say what they said, even though it was posted for you.
Since then, you abandoned that entire argument because you realized you lost it.
Having to eat a plate of shit by reading that permit application then pushed you into fake-quoting me and spamming the thread with the same GIF.
OK, first of all you didn't even know that we got sludge from Alberta until I had to post the permit application for you because you didn't believe it.
Now you're trying to backtrack and reset to reframe your argument now that you know more facts (thanks to me).
So yeah, I've been telling you for a while now that we already get Tar Sands sludge, so much of it that it's discounted for us.
You didn't believe that it was discounted, but now that you know it is, you then try to make an economic, supply-and-demand case, neglecting the fact that demand in PADD II is not the same as demand in PADD III.
Pointing that out to you sent you into a fit of hysterics, where you repeated the same stolen GIF over and over to try and spam the thread into exhaustion.
Clearly, that tactic didn't work.
WTF are you talking about?
They extract the sludge RIGHT NOW...what do you think flows in that pipeline to US refineries in the Midwest from Alberta?
TransCanada said themselves the purpose was to strengthen Canadian oil pricing in global markets.
Do you...do you think that the sludge is just sitting somewhere right now? It's not. Almost all of it goes directly to Midwest refineries.
Are you under the impression that there is just all this sludge sitting around in barrels because no one is buying it? That's not true in the least. All the sludge is being bought, it's just being bought at a discount because the midwest refineries are the only place it can go.
^This is why you cannot have a coherent argument with a dishonest, lying, mentally challenged weak link like LyingVagina426. It always descends into a circle of stupidity, profanity and mental gymnastics using strawmen.
You stupid motherfukcer...it ALREADY GOES TO THE US TO BE REFINED.
It's just all being refined in the US Midwest instead of at the Gulf, so the markets for it are limited to just US Midwest buyers, which is why it's discounted!
For fuck's sake, are you being deliberately obtuse?
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And if Mexico suddenly wanted to build a pipeline across America all the way to Canada- Would you think that was a great idea?
What's evident here is that you're completely outclassed in this debate.
You keep changing your tactics and strategies, but they always revert back to the same place; your fundamental misunderstanding of economics.
Demand in US PADD II is not the same as demand in US PADD III.
They are two completely separate districts that serve separate demand.
Not sure how many other ways I can make this easier for you to grasp.
My cat gets it, so what's your excuse?
Who fucking cares what some Canadian company can or cannot do?
The point is that they can only sell their sludge to US refineries in the Midwest because that's where the current pipelines flow.
Now, can you sell refined crude from Illinois to China? No.
But can you sell refined crude from the Gulf to China? Yes.
And if you can sell to China, can you also sell to India? Yes.
And if you can sell to India, can you also sell to Europe? Yes.
And if you can sell to Europe, can you also sell to Brazil? Yes.
And if you can sell to Brazil, can you also sell to Australia? Yes.
And if you can sell to Australia, can't you pretty much sell anywhere in the world? Yes.
Can you sell to Europe, Brazil, or China from Springfield, IL? No, because you have no way of getting the oil to those places from the middle of Illinois.
And that's why imported crude will not see a price decrease should the flow of sludge be diverted to PADD III.
Yes it is! That's the entire point of KXL, for TransCanada to sell their sludge globally for more than they sell it to US refineries right now.