Losing 18 soldiers is not that bad…

T. A. Gardner said:
Which part of the difference between combat with a purpose, and a rout don't you get? Trump's current war with Iran is not a "Banana war." Venezuela, might be one. But the originals in the 30's were corporations getting the US government to do their dirty work in countries like Nicaragua so they could export bananas to the US.
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The part where you say Iran is not a Banana War when it is.

Iran, Iraq, and the mess that became Afghanistan all were banana wars where you are perfectly ok with those deaths.

You even said you were fine with Biden doing nothing and leaving the Afghan war going which was causing more deaths per year than the Biden withdrawal did.

So you are an empty shill Terry. You could not give a shit about troop deaths unless by a Dem leader and you convince yourself they are all good and righteous deaths when it is a magat leader.
 
QP! said:
The part where you say Iran is not a Banana War when it is.
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Which corporation(s) are pressing the US government to take the country so they can move in and gut the economy for their own gain, exactly?
QP! said:
Iran, Iraq, and the mess that became Afghanistan all were banana wars where you are perfectly ok with those deaths.
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Iran became a mess because Carter fucked up. Iraq was a necessity because Saddam was the world's leading exporter of terrorism.
QP! said:
You even said you were fine with Biden doing nothing and leaving the Afghan war going which was causing more deaths per year than the Biden withdrawal did.
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Yes, if Biden did nothing and just let things in Afghanistan stay the same, it'd be better than handing that country to the Taliban.
QP! said:
So you are an empty shill Terry. You could not give a shit about troop deaths unless by a Dem leader and you convince yourself they are all good and righteous deaths when it is a magat leader.
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You just want everything your way like some petulant teenage girl.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Which corporation(s) are pressing the US government to take the country so they can move in and gut the economy for their own gain, exactly?


Iran became a mess because Carter fucked up. Iraq was a necessity because Saddam was the world's leading exporter of terrorism.


Yes, if Biden did nothing and just let things in Afghanistan stay the same, it'd be better than handing that country to the Taliban.


You just want everything your way like some petulant teenage girl.
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The thing Biden did wrong was to believe the Taliban would actually stand by the agreement that they signed with Trump.
The one where Trump gave them everything they were fighting for for 20 Years, the agreement where Trump put the safety of our troops in the hands of people we were fighting and killing for 20 years.
YES read it Trump put the safety of our troop and the troops of our allies in the hands of the Taliban now how stupid is that?
And they did not keep their part of the agreement.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Which corporation(s) are pressing the US government to take the country so they can move in and gut the economy for their own gain, exactly?


Iran became a mess because Carter fucked up. Iraq was a necessity because Saddam was the world's leading exporter of terrorism.


Yes, if Biden did nothing and just let things in Afghanistan stay the same, it'd be better than handing that country to the Taliban.


You just want everything your way like some petulant teenage girl.
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ya you are just an empty shill.

You have no issues at all with the republicans who START stupid forever wars costing hundreds or thousands of US lives. You find any excuse for why those are justified and can go on forever as you said with Afghanistan.

But Biden ends the war Trump failed to do twice, when Trump was the one to negotiate and set the deal with the terrorist Taliban and your only complaint is with Biden. This despite the fact that Biden ended the war no prior POTUS did and with LESS deaths than were happening yearly, on average in Afghanistan regardless.
 
QP! said:
ya you are just an empty shill.

You have no issues at all with the republicans who START stupid forever wars costing hundreds or thousands of US lives. You find any excuse for why those are justified and can go on forever as you said with Afghanistan.

But Biden ends the war Trump failed to do twice, when Trump was the one to negotiate and set the deal with the terrorist Taliban and your only complaint is with Biden. This despite the fact that Biden ended the war no prior POTUS did and with LESS deaths than were happening yearly, on average in Afghanistan regardless.
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Biden just went along with the agreement Trump made, an agreement that gave the Taliban EVERYTHING they were fighting for for 20 years.
Again how stupid can anybody be to actually believe that the people you had been fighting and killing for 20 year are going to guarantee the safety of your people?
YES Trump did just that and they didn't follow through.
 
Tbird19482 said:
Biden just went along with the agreement Trump made, an agreement that gave the Taliban EVERYTHING they were fighting for for 20 years.
Again how stupid can anybody be to actually believe that the people you had been fighting and killing for 20 year are going to guarantee the safety of your people?
YES Trump did just that and they didn't follow through.
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Yup.

and as i said, after Trump negotiated a deal with the terrorist Taliban, had Biden sidelined that deal and made the Taliban believe that 'once again a new US Potus is preparing to stay in Afghanistan and not leave', and then began to attack US troops killing lots of them, trying to force the US to reconsider and leave, @T. A. Gardner would be the loudest critic of Biden saying 'for fuck sakes, Trump gift wrapped an agreed to deal with the Taliban to get the US out and Biden could not even stick to it and just get them out'.

it would be a non stop 'all Biden had to do was follow the agreed to deal' from magats Trump defenders like Terry.

The fact is more service members were dying per year in Afghanistan than that died in the withdrawal, and Terry has said he does not care about how many were dying per year as people die in wars, so big deal. Then he turns around and cries about service members dying under Biden ONLY.

He is a pure partisan shill with no basis of logic behind his positions.
 
QP! said:
Yup.

and as i said, after Trump negotiated a deal with the terrorist Taliban, had Biden sidelined that deal and made the Taliban believe that 'once again a new US Potus is preparing to stay in Afghanistan and not leave', and then began to attack US troops killing lots of them, trying to force the US to reconsider and leave, @T. A. Gardner would be the loudest critic of Biden saying 'for fuck sakes, Trump gift wrapped an agreed to deal with the Taliban to get the US out and Biden could not even stick to it and just get them out'.

it would be a non stop 'all Biden had to do was follow the agreed to deal' from magats Trump defenders like Terry.

The fact is more service members were dying per year in Afghanistan than that died in the withdrawal, and Terry has said he does not care about how many were dying per year as people die in wars, so big deal. Then he turns around and cries about service members dying under Biden ONLY.

He is a pure partisan shill with no basis of logic behind his positions.
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When you fall for a politician your objectivity tends to fall with you. But with Trump it's a tendency on steroids. You almost have to admire it, seeing Rubio, who first gave us the accusation, now fully conned himself at his side.
 
Tbird19482 said:
The thing Biden did wrong was to believe the Taliban would actually stand by the agreement that they signed with Trump.
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That was one of many mistakes he made in that rout of a withdrawal.
Tbird19482 said:
The one where Trump gave them everything they were fighting for for 20 Years, the agreement where Trump put the safety of our troops in the hands of people we were fighting and killing for 20 years.
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Trump's agreement was badly flawed, but he didn't execute that agreement in a disastrous way.

Biden's mistake was two-fold. He--well likely someone in his administration did--went ahead with the agreement, only adding an order for the US military to withdraw immediately and completely leaving everything behind. Many in the military saw the danger in that and tried to do things like disable equipment, etc., while still carrying out the order.

The withdrawal turned into a humiliating rout because of its incoherent demand to simply get out of the country immediately. It could have been done in an orderly fashion in stages, but that isn't what whoever ordered it wanted. They wanted an end to things immediately and likely really didn't give a shit about the consequences. The thinking really is no different than the Left's demand, "Abolish ICE," or "Defund the police." Same absolutism in thinking without considering the consequences. It is, simply put, child-like.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That was one of many mistakes he made in that rout of a withdrawal.


Trump's agreement was badly flawed, but he didn't execute that agreement in a disastrous way.

Biden's mistake was two-fold. He--well likely someone in his administration did--went ahead with the agreement, only adding an order for the US military to withdraw immediately and completely leaving everything behind. Many in the military saw the danger in that and tried to do things like disable equipment, etc., while still carrying out the order.

The withdrawal turned into a humiliating rout because of its incoherent demand to simply get out of the country immediately. It could have been done in an orderly fashion in stages, but that isn't what whoever ordered it wanted. They wanted an end to things immediately and likely really didn't give a shit about the consequences. The thinking really is no different than the Left's demand, "Abolish ICE," or "Defund the police." Same absolutism in thinking without considering the consequences. It is, simply put, child-like.
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Trump did not implement at all.

He set up the disaster by negotiating with terrorists and shutting out the Afghan government in a way that was so stupid it's basically incomprehensible.

Biden managed to do the one thing every other POTUS, since that war was started failed to do, including Trump twice.

And he did so costing fewer US lives than the US was losing on average yearly.
 
volsrocks said:
Biden lost 13 in one day
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Biden followed the dictates of the treaty signed by your #FatFascistFelon. Trump destroyed the treaty with Iran that was in effect in order to start a pointless, unnecessary war that has cost you, me, and everyoane else significant money in higher prices and falling 401(k)s.

Try not to be so stupid.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That was one of many mistakes he made in that rout of a withdrawal.


Trump's agreement was badly flawed, but he didn't execute that agreement in a disastrous way.

Biden's mistake was two-fold. He--well likely someone in his administration did--went ahead with the agreement, only adding an order for the US military to withdraw immediately and completely leaving everything behind. Many in the military saw the danger in that and tried to do things like disable equipment, etc., while still carrying out the order.

The withdrawal turned into a humiliating rout because of its incoherent demand to simply get out of the country immediately. It could have been done in an orderly fashion in stages, but that isn't what whoever ordered it wanted. They wanted an end to things immediately and likely really didn't give a shit about the consequences. The thinking really is no different than the Left's demand, "Abolish ICE," or "Defund the police." Same absolutism in thinking without considering the consequences. It is, simply put, child-like.
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YEAH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ORDERLY...IN THE MAGA moron WAY. NO NEED TO GET OUT IMMEDIATELY.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN TWO MORE WEEKS.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, ACCORDING TO TRUMP AND HIS ASSHOLE KISSERS, IN TWO MORE WEEKS IF BIDEN HADN'T GOTTEN IT DONE.

DONE!
 
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