madness of the Democratic impeachment crusade

LV426 said:
Good. Me too.

You and I disagree on what will happen.

You seem to think impeachment will cause all the people who voted for Trump to vote for him again...except we know they'll do that, so this isn't a threat.

What isn't clear is why you believe impeachment will cause more to vote for him, or cause lower turnout for Democrats.

The only way Trump wins is if turnout is below what it was in 2016.
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How did impeaching Clinton work out for the Republicans in 96
 
LV426 said:
Well, here's the thing:

Your judgment is so terrible that you got conned into voting for a reality TV show host, so you're probably mis-judging this too.
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Is that what you tell yourself at night while you lie awake masturbating to Cumala Harris?
 
Teflon Don said:
How did impeaching Clinton work out for the Republicans in 96
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In truth, they were able to continue to control the House and the Senate. The impeachment occurred in 1998. Republicans only lost four seats in the House.

In fact, it had ZERO effect on Republicans and turned the sexual predator BillyBob Clinton into a folk hero for morons on the left.
 
Teflon Don said:
Told you. I don’t need to. I know you haven’t.
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1. "Don't need to"? LOL. More like don't want to.

2. I spent all last week reading it (why I wasn't posting). Several times.

3. If you haven't read it yourself, then that means you don't think for yourself, relying instead on others to tell you what to think.
 
Teflon Don said:
I trust Barr implicitly. He has no reason to lie.
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That's more of your poor judgment, the same piss poor judgment that led you to Trump in the first place.

Of course Barr has a reason to lie...he's protecting the President, to whom he is more loyal than the country. In fact, Barr's already done this kind of lying before, back in the late 80's with Iran/Contra.

You're a sucker who keeps falling for the same stupid shit. That's because your character is rotten.
 
Teflon Don said:
Let’s be clear. I am not warning you against it. I am begging you to do it

I can’t think of anything I have ever wanted democrats to do more
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The threat is that by impeaching Trump, all the Conservatives who voted for him will vote for him again.

Only, we already know they're going to do that.

What's not clear is why you think impeachment will cause lower voter turnout among Democrats...?
 
Teflon Don said:
How did impeaching Clinton work out for the Republicans in 96
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1. Clinton wasn't impeached until 1998, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

2. Clinton was way more popular than Trump was.

3. Trump doesn't even have a modicum of Clinton's political acumen.

4. Clinton was likable, Trump is not.

5. What happened when Nixon was impeached?

6. Republicans lost in 1996 because their shutdown fiasco failed.
 
Teflon Don said:
How did impeaching Clinton work out for the Republicans in 96
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YOU = BIGGEST FUCKING IDIOT IN THE WORLD.

Clinton was impeached in 1998, not 1996 you fucking moron.

Were your parents related? Maybe that will explain why you're such a deficient human stain.
 
LV426 said:
1.Remember, only moonbats matter

2. Clinton was way more popular than Trump was to moonbats.

3. Trump doesn't even have a modicum of Clinton's political acumen in the opinion of ALL moonbats

4. Clinton was likable, Trump is not by moonbats, we hate him
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so,
NEXT I guess
 
LV426 said:
1. "Don't need to"? LOL. More like don't want to.

2. I spent all last week reading it (why I wasn't posting). Several times.

3. If you haven't read it yourself, then that means you don't think for yourself, relying instead on others to tell you what to think.
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Don’t need to. Don’t want to. Same thing.

I know all I need to know.

In fact I knew Trump did not collude with Russia. I didn’t Mueller. Because unlike you I think for myself.
 
LV426 said:
1. Clinton wasn't impeached until 1998, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

2. Clinton was way more popular than Trump was.

3. Trump doesn't even have a modicum of Clinton's political acumen.

4. Clinton was likable, Trump is not.

5. What happened when Nixon was impeached?

6. Republicans lost in 1996 because their shutdown fiasco failed.
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Nixon was never impeached asshole

You sure have a lot of nerve calling others stupid.
 
TDS is a relatively new and not well understood mental illness affliction. It will be interesting to see when those afflicted finally stop calling for impeachment although I suspect it will go on until 2024. Maybe even for yrs later.
 
dukkha said:
Since the release of the Mueller report, with each passing day comes a new and increasingly strident demand to impeach Donald Trump. The New York Times, Washington Post, and various prestige magazines are cluttered with such demands, casting impeachment as an imperative for the survival of American democracy.
Mueller might have affirmatively concluded that no conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia ever came close to being established, but that hasn’t stopped Democrats and their journalist allies from barreling full-steam ahead down this rabbit hole.

In a healthy media environment, the key finding from the report ought to have been that the ‘collusion’ hypothesis which dominated American political consciousness for nearly three years was exhaustively and resolutely debunked – but instead there has been a concerted move to deflect and change the subject.

One tactic employed to this end by Democrats and likeminded pundits has been to re-focus collective attention on Attorney General William Barr, whom they insist maliciously misrepresented Mueller’s findings in order to protect Trump.

But their criticisms on this score never made any sense. Barr was clearly obliged to expeditiously relay the top-line findings of the report once it was submitted on March 22. And so by March 24, Barr issued a letter stating, accurately, that Mueller had not established ‘conspiracy or coordination’ between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, i.e. the core crux of the entire ‘collusion’ narrative. Hence the New York Times’s blaring front-page headline the following day, which also proved 100 percent accurate: MUELLER FINDS NO TRUMP-RUSSIA CONSPIRACY.

Neither did Barr materially misrepresent Mueller’s findings on obstruction. As the report lays out in comprehensive detail, Mueller weighed competing facts and legal arguments in relation to all the allegedly obstructive acts committed by Trump and made no definitive determinations about the prosecutability of any of them. That is exactly what Barr said in the March 24 letter, in which he wrote that ‘while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’

But whipping up an ancillary and specious controversy about Barr, Democrats are merely attempting to prolong the fantasy that Mueller somehow indicted Trump, rather than meticulously examined every conceivable aspect of the purported Trump-Russia conspiracy, and rendered as affirmative a judgment as any prosecutor in Mueller’s position could ever proffer: that there was no such conspiracy. It’s game over.

Collusion true-believers and dead-enders are using the Barr ‘side-bar’ to fuel the storyline that impeachment is the only viable response to the Mueller report, lest the entire American system of government crumble. Democrats calling for impeachment are generally assumed to be members of Congress representing the ‘left-wing’ flank of the party – Elizabeth Warren, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ayanna Pressley, and others – but increasingly there has been a move among more putatively ‘moderate’ members to hop aboard the pro-impeachment train as well.
Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, a former head of the Congressional Black Caucus and one of the most important early endorsers of Joe Biden’s nascent presidential campaign, proclaimed Sunday on Face the Nation that impeachment is the ‘best way’ to proceed. Seth Moulton, the ‘moderate’ member of Congress from Massachusetts and another newly-declared presidential candidate, also avowed his support for impeachment last week at a speech in New Hampshire. This is significant because it reflects impeachment gaining steam across disparate factions of the party; no longer can it be said to be confined exclusively to any particular ideological element.

Either way, it’s a fallacy to presume that there’s anything inherently ‘progressive’ or ‘left-wing’ about advocating to impeach the president on the basis of a debunked international espionage conspiracy theory that has its genesis in the FBI and CIA (both of which employed all manner of extraordinarily invasive surveillance tactics and extra-legal measures to impede the democratically-elected head of state) – and which had the practical impact of effectively criminalizing foreign policy heterodoxies.

According to former Trump lawyer John Dowd, as well as conversations between Trump and administration officials relayed by Mueller in the report, the investigation hobbled Trump’s ability to conduct foreign affairs throughout his first term, and negated the possibility of any ‘détente’ with Russia to the point that relations between these two nuclear-armed states have soured to a dangerous nadir.
Indeed, Mueller himself identifies a rationale for Trump’s behavior in ridiculing the Special Counsel investigation that would actually exculpate him in terms of obstruction, because it would bear on Trump’s Article II powers under the Constitution:

Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, Jerrold Nadler, and the rest of the House Democratic leadership might be relatively cautious in terms of how far they are willing to go on impeachment, but it’s difficult to imagine how they can resist the omni-directional pressure being heaped on them for very long.

Tom Steyer, the mega-billionaire who toyed with a presidential run, has mounted an aggressive initiative through his activist organization ‘Need to Impeach,’ whereby constituents are showing up at Democratic congressional offices and flooding their representatives with calls and emails to demand that they take up the impeachment mantle.

Especially with forthcoming congressional testimonies by Barr, Mueller, and other players in the Trump-Russia saga, this issue will simply not be going away any time soon. Democrats can try all they want to convince themselves that impeaching Trump on grounds of ‘obstruction’ rather than collusion is a tenable course, but politically speaking these two subjects are wholly inseparable.
‘Obstruction’ only ever arose as a live issue due to a collusion investigation which we now know was predicated on a complete fiction – or a ‘hoax,’ as Trump correctly observed on many occasions. If they really want to oust Trump on the basis of a discredited militaristic conspiracy theory that was generated by the most retrograde elements of the American national security state, fine: but at least be honest about it.
https://spectator.us/madness-democratic-impeachment-crusade/
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you have been on the wrong side of everything in all the years I have known you grindy



you are either dumb as fuck or you hate this nation and seek its destruction


maybe you are both
 
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