Moral relativism

ZenMode said:
What is it specifically about the act of cutting off a teenage girl's clitoris that you find to be immoral?
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@Into the Night @IBDaMann
Trying again....

To avoid any {cough} confusion, I am not asking IF you believe female genital mutilation is immoral. I'm asking WHAT IT IS about the act of cutting off a teenage girl's clitoris that makes it immoral.

So saying "Because of my morals." is not an valid answer. It's circular reasoning.
 
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ZenMode said:
@Into the Night @IBDaMann
Trying again....

To avoid any {cough} confusion, I am not asking IF you believe female genital mutilation is immoral. I'm asking WHAT IT IS about the act of cutting off a teenage girl's clitoris that makes it immoral.

So saying "Because of my morals." is not an valid answer. It's circular reasoning.
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Trying again....

To avoid any {cough} confusion, I am not asking IF you believe you somehow understand the difference between "objective" vs. "subjective" or "absolute" vs. "relative" because you don't. I'm telling you that you can't ask what is objectively immoral about a subjective matter.

So saying "You're just tap-dancing" doesn't somehow get you over this insurmountable hurdle. It's just you being "too stupid to learn."
 
IBDaMann said:
I'm telling you that you can't ask what is objectively immoral about a subjective matter.
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I'm asking for your opinion. I'm asking, if you believe that forceably cutting the clitoris off a teenage girl is immoral, why do YOU have that view?

I assume you don't just flip a coin to determine your views on morality, right?
 
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ZenMode said:
@Into the Night @IBDaMann
Trying again....

To avoid any {cough} confusion, I am not asking IF you believe female genital mutilation is immoral. I'm asking WHAT IT IS about the act of cutting off a teenage girl's clitoris that makes it immoral.
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An action or event is not a moral. RQAA
ZenMode said:
So saying "Because of my morals." is not an valid answer. It's circular reasoning.
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Contextomy fallacy. Obvious, you can't even pay attention to your own posts.
 
Into the Night said:
It is to that person.
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Yes the justification, not the morality. Killing is taking something thats not yours to take. You can justify doing it, if your neighbors dog shits on your lawn so you kill your neighbor because you've told him before to control his dog. Or someone is going to kill your whole family so you kill that person first. In both instances your taking whats not yours to take, but one may be more justifiable than the other but according to your argument both are perfectly acceptable because its all personal morals.
 
Yakuda said:
Yes the justification, not the morality.
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What 'justification'? It is according to his morals.
Yakuda said:
Killing is taking something thats not yours to take.
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So is breathing. Do you own the oxygen you breath in? So is hunting. So is fishing. So is stepping on a cockroach.
Yakuda said:
You can justify doing it, if your neighbors dog shits on your lawn so you kill your neighbor because you've told him before to control his dog.
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What justification? If a person believes it is moral to kill a neighbor for that reason, it is according to their morals.
Yakuda said:
Or someone is going to kill your whole family so you kill that person first.
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What justification? If the so-called murder thinks it is moral to kill your entire family, and you think it is moral to kill him in self defense, the only thing different are your two morals.
Yakuda said:
In both instances your taking whats not yours to take, but one may be more justifiable than the other but according to your argument both are perfectly acceptable because its all personal morals.
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It is all personal morals. Your morals are established by you...no one else. Only you can change them. My morals are established by me. I am the only one that can change them. There is no such thing as an 'absolute moral'.
 
Into the Night said:
What 'justification'? It is according to his morals.

So is breathing. Do you own the oxygen you breath in? So is hunting. So is fishing. So is stepping on a cockroach.

What justification? If a person believes it is moral to kill a neighbor for that reason, it is according to their morals.

What justification? If the so-called murder thinks it is moral to kill your entire family, and you think it is moral to kill him in self defense, the only thing different are your two morals.

It is all personal morals. Your morals are established by you...no one else. Only you can change them. My morals are established by me. I am the only one that can change them. There is no such thing as an 'absolute moral'.
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No justification is screwed up thinking like its ok to kill your neighbor his dog shit on your lawn. According to you thats perfectly ok because its his morals. Sorry but thats fucked up
 
Yakuda said:
LOL More relativism. A cow is equal to a human being
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I didn't specify a cow. I didn't even mention them. But since you bring it up...

Do you think it's moral to hunt?
Do you think it's moral to fish?
Do you think it's moral to kill a steer?
Do you think it's moral to kill a weed?
Do you think it's moral to kill a wasp nest in your house walls?
Do you think it's moral to swat a fly?
Do you think it's moral to kill a human being in self defense?


You stated it's immoral to kill. Yet these are examples that people consider quite moral.


Now some more controversial ones:

Do you think it's moral to kill a child before it's born for the sake of convenience?
Do you think it's moral for a gang member to shoot a member of a rival gang?
Do you think it's moral to submit to a draft and fight in a war?
Do you think it's moral to kill a terrorist?
Do you think it's moral to buy and own a slave?
Do you think it's moral if a police or federal officer must wreck a car (possibly killing the driver) because the driver is reckless and danger to society?

You see? It really depends on who you ask.
 
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Into the Night said:
I didn't specify a cow. I didn't even mention them.

Do you think it's moral to hunt?
Do you think it's moral to fish?
Do you think it's moral to kill a steer?
Do you think it's moral to kill a weed?
Do you think it's moral to kill a wasp nest in your house walls?
Do you think it's moral to swat a fly?
Do you think it's moral to kill a human being in self defense?


You stated it's immoral to kill. Yet these are examples that people consider quite moral.


Now some more controversial ones:

Do you think it's moral to kill a child before it's born for the sake of convenience?
Do you think it's moral for a gang member to shoot a member of a rival gang?
Do you think it's moral to submit to a draft and fight in a war?
Do you think it's moral to kill a terrorist?

You see? It really depends on who you ask.
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in the top its all bullshit but

"Do you think it's moral to kill a human being in self defense?" The answer is No but its justifiable

not controversial at all

No
No but it can be justifiable
People who dont want to kill can serve in the military
No but could be justifiable

No it doesnt
 
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