More Americans died starting the Iran war…
- Thread starter Jarod
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The MAGATs are weary, so very weary. 10 years of apologizing, groveling, excusing, explaining, defending, and carrying the water for the #FatFascistFelon has taken a toll.
They do seem to have mostly given up. They hit the wall. It’s got to be exhausting defending the indefensible.
Tbird19482
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That has taken that " But Biden, But Biden, But Biden" away.
QP!
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Ya but Biden was ending a forever war Republicans started and could not get America out of, including thru two Trump terms. He accomplished what so many POTUS prior talked about doing but failed to do.
Whereas Trump was getting America into another forever war that some future Dem admin will have to get the US out of. Trump accomplished what everyone but NeoCons said should never be done again.
Jarad, how can you not see how Bidens accomplishment deserves condemnation and Trumps deserves praise???
#MustNotBeInACult
#NotPoorlyEducated
QP!
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Trump's disastrous negotiations with the terrorist Taliban only, while keeping the Afghan military outside the room set up a very predicable instant Afghan gov't collapse the second the US started to pull out.
There simply was no way the Afghan gov't was going to fight a defensive battle having no clue what Trump had conceded to the terrorist Taliban.
Had Trump instead involved the Afghan gov't and got a an agreement between them and the Taliban that the US would be given 60 days (pick number) to get their people and equipment out, then that instantaneous collapse would not have happened.
That was Trump idiocy. Entirely his fault. And likely purposely so with an intent to try and trap Biden in a no win situation. Because if Biden did not stick to the Trump flawed plan and instead told the Taliban it was a bad plan and not workable the Taliban might suspect Biden, like prior POTUS would never leave and start attacking trying to drive up the costs (even more deaths) to try and make him leave.
At that point the same Magats would claim 'Trump gift wrapped Biden a clean exit and all he had to do was stick to the plan and every thing would have worked perfectly and Biden still fucked it up.'
Yakuda
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It was how it ended dumbass not that he ended it. The distinction makes your head ache i know.
Agreed only a demoncrap would fuck it up that badly
Copy and paste where I said Im in favor of a "forever" war. Oh thats right you cant bitch boy
What is worse, losing people to end a war, that was started by someone else,
OR
losing people, by starting an unnecessary and illadvised war with no end in sigfht?
Yakuda
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I dont like losing people either way but you seem to not mind it
I hate it, answer the question, which one were you more in a rage about?
Yakuda
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Both you retarded dumbass. You make it sound as if one is better than the other. If you REALLY believe that then you're a fucking idiot.
The preexisting war had to keep going or be ended, the Iran war did not have to even start.
Yakuda
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Im sorry you dont see the inherent problem of losing people no matter what the reason.
I do, but I understand that the reason people were lost in the effort to end it, was at least the fault of those who started it.
One is necessary the other is not.
Yakuda
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No one one has to die if you decide to stop fighting. Dont be silly
T. A. Gardner
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So? In the first case, (Biden) it was during a rout and total defeat. In the second, the outcome has yet to be determined. Body count is not the most relevant thing here. Success or failure is, and Biden unequivocally and massively failed. We have yet to see what happens with Iran.
QP!
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Your view is stupid.
While people dying is always tragic it is worse when they should never been put at risk in the first place compared to ending someone else's war where risk is incumbent in any choice you make.
Biden could not avoid risk. Trump could.
QP!
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Trump set the stage for that mess.
He negotiated with the terrorist Taliban while locking the Afghan government out of the room. A move doomed to some degree of failure from the start