My ode to Islamophobia

Thing1 said:
You thought that there wasn't a coalition for Libya & that Congress couldn't investigate. Forgive me if I don't see you as an expert on Islamic radicalism.

I think that's an issue w/ sites like this in general. Most here know a little about a lot, but not everything about everything, even though they like to pretend that they do. I don't claim to be an expert on Islam or Islamic radicalism, but I know the psychology of extremists in general, and I can work %'s out in my head to draw basic conclusions.
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It astounds me that people can be perplexed about the subject when the radicals plainly state what their objectives are.

You don't believe them?
 
Milagro said:
Maybe William Gladstone and John Quincy Adams were right?

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Darth Omar said:
It astounds me that people can be perplexed about the subject when the radicals plainly state what their objectives are.

You don't believe them?
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No. As I said, I think they use the religion as a crutch for their geo-political agenda.

Look at history. Did Stalin really believe in Communism? But he came out and stated that's what his objective was! Sure thing - how ever could we doubt his words at face value?
 
Darth Omar said:
It astounds me that people can be perplexed about the subject when the radicals plainly state what their objectives are.

You don't believe them?
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There are many like that I'm afraid, the truth is hidden in plain sight but they can't see it.

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ZappasGuitar said:
And upon conceding yet another point, Tommy once more decides to highlight the weakness of his point by once again resorting to a petty outburst of derision.

I humbly accept your concession.

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Well yes you definitely ought to be far more humble, hubris is not for you!

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Thing1 said:
I'd disagree w/ that. The OT has a lot of justifications for violence & inequality for anyone who wants to warp & twist what the religion is about. Those who try to tie Islam to violence usually reference the verse about killing infidels, which is very specific to an historic situation & war, and used the same way by extremists.
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You bigoted piece of socialist, white aryan nation worshiping, shit. The OT is the TORAH, the Jewish Bible. And like a typical socialist democrat KKK pos, you try to blame everyting on the Jews, you Israel hating, cunt!
 
Darth Omar said:
Al-Baghdadi is an Islamic scholar by any measure.
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Would you please stop spreading Daesh propaganda?

His backstory is a myth, probably intended to help in recruiting. If this guy was an accomplished and respected Islamic Scholar, our intelligence services would know about it. My guess? He is a two bit punk, with delusions of grandeur, and political goals involving the acquisition of power and influence under the guise of the Islamic religion. The fact that you were so easily duped into thinking he is a respected scholar only further illuminates your anti-Islamic bias and your readiness to unquestioningly accept the worst assumptions about that faith.

The Secret Life of ISIS Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

The biggest threat to Middle East security is as much a mystery as a menace — a 42-year-old Iraqi who went from a U.S. detention camp to the top of the jihadist universe with a whisper of a backstory and a $10 million bounty on his head.

His biometrics may have been cataloged by the soldiers who kept him locked up at Camp Bucca in Iraq — where he was recalled as "savvy" but not particularly dangerous — but few details about his life and insurgent career have been nailed down.

They know physically who this guy is, but his backstory is just myth," said Patrick Skinner of the Soufan Group, a security consulting firm.

Jihadist propaganda has painted him as an imam from a religious family descended from noble tribes, and a scholar and a poet with a Ph.D. from Baghdad's Islamic University, possibly in Arabic.

Whatever happens, Skinner said he's likely to remain an enigma.

"No one knows anything about him," he said. "He can be a Robin Hood. He could be Dr. Evil. It's very hard to fight a myth."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/secret-life-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-n132311
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Thing1 said:
No. As I said, I think they use the religion as a crutch for their geo-political agenda.

Look at history. Did Stalin really believe in Communism? But he came out and stated that's what his objective was! Sure thing - how ever could we doubt his words at face value?
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So radical MUSLIMS don't really use ISLAM to push their agenda?
 
Cypress said:
Would you please stop spreading Daesh propaganda?

His backstory is a myth, probably intended to help in recruiting. If this guy was an accomplished and respected Islamic Scholar, our intelligence services would know about it. My guess? He is a two bit punk, with delusions of grandeur, and political goals involving the acquisition of power and influence under the guise of the Islamic religion. The fact that you were so easily duped into thinking he is a respected scholar only further illuminates your anti-Islamic bias and your readiness to unquestioningly accept the worst assumptions about that faith.
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Your source speculates that Al Baghdadi isn't a Muslim scholar---sans any evidence besides the tired appeal to intelligence sources. Sources that provide no evidence---and around we go. I see no reason to question is credentials.

The term for respected Muslim scholars is 'Muslim jurist'. Hasan al-Banna is an important one since he formed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt back in the 20's; and it basically gave rise to Sunni radicalism or radical Islam.

It's really not for us infidels to adjudicate between Muslims scholars. The left cherry picks the moderate jurists so as to prop up the notion that Islam is a religion of peace. The fact is Islam literally translates into 'submission' and Islam is a religion of peace---except when it's not.

And to the radicals 'submission' applies to me and you. Radical Islam is, at its core, a supremacist totalitarian ideology: think of radical Islam as Nazism dressed up in religious garb---and you have a pretty good handle on it.
 
Thing1 said:
Who are you to say what their core reason is? Those on the outside say they're just perverting the religion for a political agenda.

Again, you seem determined to believe what you want to believe about it. You can say that the reason for their existence is Islam all day - but they're really lunatics who are using the religion as a crutch, and nothing more. Ultimately, they're no different from the KKK in that respect, or even the Phelps crowd - who clearly DO use the Bible to justify their warped views.

You get into a very slippery slope w/ this stuff, and to me, it's a perfect example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. What your rhetoric ultimately does is make it safe for those who DO want to make it about Islam to continue to do so.
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I've explained now dozens of times that salafi jihad is an out outgrowth of salafi Islam, which is an interpretation
( not technically a sect) of Sunni Islam.
You continuously either do not address this,or perhaps you simply do not understand it.

It's not "rhetoric" it's not a "little understanding" -it's how terrorism is discussed.
It's what the rebels in Syria call each other "takfir". The very word "jihadi" is an Islamic term.
The west did not make these up.

It bubbles up thru the madrasses in Pakistan, it's how the Taliban was created -
children of the mujahideen..etc..
If you cannot see how salafi Islam ( and not all of Islam) is the prime carrier of this disease,
then you are simply not opening your eyes.
 
anatta said:
I've explained now dozens of times that salafi jihad is an out outgrowth of salafi Islam, which is an interpretation
( not technically a sect) of Sunni Islam.
You continuously either do not address this,or perhaps you simply do not understand it.

It's not "rhetoric" it's not a "little understanding" -it's how terrorism is discussed.
It's what the rebels in Syria call each other "takfir". The very word "jihadi" is an Islamic term.
The west did not make these up.

It bubbles up thru the madrasses in Pakistan, it's how the Taliban was created -
children of the mujahideen..etc..
If you cannot see how salafi Islam ( and not all of Islam) is the prime carrier of this disease,
then you are simply not opening your eyes.
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Yup.
 
Darth Omar said:
Your source speculates that Al Baghdadi isn't a Muslim scholar---sans any evidence
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Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim al-Badri, otherwise known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was born in 1971 in Samarra, Iraq, to a lower-middle class Sunni family.

His family was known for its piety and his tribe claimed descent from the Prophet Muhammad.

As a youth, Baghdadi had a passion for Koranic recitation and was meticulous in his observance of religious law.

His family nicknamed him "the Believer" because he would chastise his relatives for failing to live up to his stringent standards.

Baghdadi pursued his religious interests at university. He obtained a bachelor's degree in Islamic studies from the University of Baghdad in 1996, and a Master's and PhD in Koranic studies from Iraq's Saddam University for Islamic Studies in 1999 and 2007 respectively.

Until 2004, Baghdadi spent his graduate school years living in the Tobchi neighbourhood of Baghdad with his two wives and six children.

He taught Koranic recitation to neighbourhood children at the local mosque, where he was also the star of its football club.

During Baghdadi's time in graduate school, his uncle persuaded him to join the Muslim Brotherhood.

Baghdadi quickly gravitated towards the few violent ultra-conservatives in the Islamist movement and by 2000, under their tutelage, had embraced Salafist jihadism.
Activist to insurgent

Within months of the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq, Baghdadi helped found the insurgent group Jaysh Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jamaah (Army of the People of the Sunnah and Communal Solidarity).

In February 2004, US forces arrested Baghdadi in Falluja and sent him to a detention facility at Camp Bucca, where he remained for 10 months.

While in detention, Baghdadi devoted himself to religious matters, leading prayers, preaching Friday sermons, and conducting classes for prisoners.
After his release, Baghdadi contacted a spokesman for al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), a local al-Qaeda affiliate run by the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Impressed with Baghdadi's religious scholarship, the spokesman convinced Baghdadi to go to Damascus, where he was to ensure AQI's propaganda adhered to the principles of ultra-conservative Islam.

Zarqawi was killed in June 2006 by a US air strike and was succeeded by an Egyptian, Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

That October, Masri dissolved AQI and founded the Islamic State in Iraq (ISI). The group continued to privately pledge allegiance to al-Qaeda.
The new emir

Because of Baghdadi's religious credentials and his ability to bridge the divide between the foreigners who founded ISI and the local Iraqis who later joined the group, Baghdadi steadily rose through the ranks.

He was appointed supervisor of the Sharia Committee and named to the 11-member Shura Council that advised ISI's emir, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi.
Baghdadi was later appointed to ISI's Co-ordination Committee, which oversaw communication with the group's commanders in Iraq.

After the deaths of ISI's founder and its emir in April 2010, the Shura Council chose Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to be the new emir.

When al-Qaeda's leader Ayman al-Zawahiri ordered Baghdadi to grant al-Nusra its independence, Baghdadi refused. In February 2014, Zawahiri expelled Isis from al-Qaeda.

Isis responded by fighting al-Nusra and consolidating its hold on eastern Syria, where Baghdadi imposed harsh religious laws.

Its stronghold secure, Baghdadi ordered his men to expand into western Iraq.
The caliph

In June 2014, Isis captured Iraqi's second largest city, Mosul, and soon after, the group's spokesman proclaimed the return of the caliphate, renaming Isis "Islamic State".

Days later, Baghdadi delivered a Friday sermon in Mosul and declared himself caliph.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35694311
 
anatta said:
I've explained now dozens of times that salafi jihad is an out outgrowth of salafi Islam, which is an interpretation
( not technically a sect) of Sunni Islam.
You continuously either do not address this,or perhaps you simply do not understand it.

It's not "rhetoric" it's not a "little understanding" -it's how terrorism is discussed.
It's what the rebels in Syria call each other "takfir". The very word "jihadi" is an Islamic term.
The west did not make these up.

It bubbles up thru the madrasses in Pakistan, it's how the Taliban was created -
children of the mujahideen..etc..
If you cannot see how salafi Islam ( and not all of Islam) is the prime carrier of this disease,
then you are simply not opening your eyes.
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Thingy is a racist bigot. He will never acknowledge the truth about Sharia Law.
 
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