NATO encroachent in Russian Black Sea waters is a war waiting to happen

Bill said:
I do & I also think it is between them, not us..

The USA & NATO~ Britain have made several serious blunders since we became "the LONE SUPERPOWER"... Like we can just do what we want & the side effects will not touch us..

The real threat here is China, while we waste time on these types of things they are steadily getting richer & expanding their reach..
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Agree.
 
dukkha said:
not the Crimean people, and not the control of the penninsula.

You can say the US belongs to indigenous people - doesnt matter
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"Why Did Russia Give Away Crimea Sixty Years Ago?"
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

"Crimea was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha, until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR). "
 
dukkha said:
has a right? is that how you stop a trip wire war?
Look Crimea is Russian -doesnt matter whom recognizes what, but the facts on the ground
including the new Kerch Strait bridge say it's Russian
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So in your world, the Russian navy has a right to patrol British and American coastlines, harass American boats near Alaska, etc.

but it is an international crime if a British destroyer cruises the coast of Crimea, which has never actually been recognized as sovereign Russian territory
 
Jack said:
"Why Did Russia Give Away Crimea Sixty Years Ago?"
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

"Crimea was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha, until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR). "
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No consultation with Crimeans ? It's like the British giving away Palestine.
 
moon said:
No consultation with Crimeans ? It's like the British giving away Palestine.
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Probably more like the Mexican Cession.


The Mexican Cession (Spanish: Cesión mexicana) is the region in the modern-day southwestern United States that Mexico ceded to the U.S. in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 after the Mexican–American War. This region had not been part of the areas east of the Rio Grande that had been claimed by the Republic of Texas, though the Texas annexation resolution three years earlier had not specified the southern and western boundary of the new state of Texas. At roughly 529,000 square miles (1,370,000 km2), the Mexican Cession was the third-largest acquisition of territory in U.S. history, surpassed only by the 827,000-square-mile (2,140,000 km2) Louisiana Purchase and the 586,000-square-mile (1,520,000 km2) Alaska Purchase.

Pretty sure the Mexicans that lived there, didn't get a Vote.
 
reagansghost said:
why is it MAGA's root for America's number one foe on the world stage?

can one of you teahicks please explain?
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I remember years ago when they began their love affair with Putin


I kept showing them the facts that clearly showed Putin was a dictator


They of course just ignored those facts

It’s how I learned many posters lie about being Americans


I began telling people that


And yet again I turned out to be correct
 
Cypress said:
So in your world, the Russian navy has a right to patrol British and American coastlines, harass American boats near Alaska, etc.

but it is an international crime if a British destroyer cruises the coast of Crimea, which has never actually been recognized as sovereign Russian territory
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if it's in international waters -Russia has every right to be there
if it's in US territorial waters then Russia does not.

The problem with the Brits is they ignored warning and steamed towards Sevastopol -the major Russian Naval base.'
It would be like Russia steaming in restricted waters towards Norfolk Naval base after being warned not to
 
dukkha said:
if it's in international waters -Russia has every right to be there
if it's in US territorial waters then Russia does not.

The problem with the Brits is they ignored warning and steamed towards Sevastopol -the major Russian Naval base.'
It would be like Russia steaming in restricted waters towards Norfolk Naval base after being warned not to
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You do not know the Brits were in territorial water, other than taking the Kremlin's word for it.

Crimea is not internationally recognized as Russian sovereign territory.

I wonder if you are ever going to express outrage about Russian Navy harassing American ships?
 
Cypress said:
You do not know the Brits were in territorial water, other than taking the Kremlin's word for it.

Crimea is not internationally recognized as Russian sovereign territory.

I wonder if you are ever going to express outrage about Russian Navy harassing American ships?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po.../amp36790941/russia-us-military-drama-hawaii/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/financ...cool-russian-warships-harassed-134500797.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...sed-russian-helicopters-baltic-sea-2017-6?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...518/usa-navy-russia-ship-collision-asia-video

I don’t know if he was outraged by any of these occurrences? I would guess, probably not.
 
Cypress said:
You do not know the Brits were in territorial water, other than taking the Kremlin's word for it.

Crimea is not internationally recognized as Russian sovereign territory.

I wonder if you are ever going to express outrage about Russian Navy harassing American ships?
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Re That:

The tracking data of two NATO warships was faked off the coast of a Russian controlled naval base in the Black Sea while the actual ships were moored 180 miles away, USNI News has learned.
The U.K. Royal Navy’s HMS Defender, a Type-45 Daring-class destroyer, and the Royal Netherlands Navy’s HNLMS Evertsen, a De Zeven Provinciën-class frigate, pulled into Odessa in Ukraine on June 18. The group had been monitored by Russian warships while exercising in the Black Sea, according to U.S. Navy photos dated on June 17.

According to an automatic identification system (AIS) signal, which transmits position details to improve maritime safety, the pair left Odessa just before midnight on June 18. The data shows that they sailed directly to Sevastopol, approaching to within two nautical miles of the harbor entrance. The strategic port houses the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea fleet.

Despite the AIS track, there is clear evidence that the two warships did not leave Odessa. Live webcam feeds show that they did not leave Odessa, however. This was anyway the known situation in defense circles, and local media. Anyone in Odessa can see that they did not leave. The webcams are broadcast live on YouTube by Odessa Online. Screenshots archived by third party weather sites like Windy.com show the two warships present in Odessa overnight.
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https://news.usni.org/2021/06/21/po...e-falsified-near-russian-black-sea-naval-base
 
Cypress said:
You do not know the Brits were in territorial water, other than taking the Kremlin's word for it.

Crimea is not internationally recognized as Russian sovereign territory.

I wonder if you are ever going to express outrage about Russian Navy harassing American ships?
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you still going on about "recognized Russian territory" WTF is that supposed to change?

Crimea belongs to Russia -deal with it, recognize it or not - and I remind you there was a referendum and not a shot was fired for the annexation. Clearly the popultion is happy to be under Russian control

So you think Russia just decided to make an international issue out of whole cloth? that's ludicrous.
The Brits were fucking around Sevastopol, the Russians got rightly pissed off and dropped bombs etc.

Instead of legal niceties like "Crimea is not recognized as Russian"
how about you recognize the potential for a serious incident and possible war??

cause THAT matters, not "who recognizes Crimea"
 
Phantasmal said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po.../amp36790941/russia-us-military-drama-hawaii/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/financ...cool-russian-warships-harassed-134500797.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...sed-russian-helicopters-baltic-sea-2017-6?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...518/usa-navy-russia-ship-collision-asia-video

I don’t know if he was outraged by any of these occurrences? I would guess, probably not.
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happens all the time. Russian buzz our ships we do the same. whats your point?
The Black Sea is international waters execept for restricted zones, same as your other links that took place in international waters
 
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