Natural origin for COVID

ExpressLane said:
You are posting here like Libratards have not said the Lab Leak theory was a conspiracy theory. Sane people have always identified the Wuhan lab as the most likely source for COVID. The Libratards exploded when Senator Tom Cotton and Trump both identified the Wuhan lab as the source very early on. And now the FBI and the DOE are both saying it isn't a conspiracy theory. I'll excuse you because you know nothing about science and your expertise is in booze but if you had ever had even a basic course in virology you would know this virus strongly favors being a manufactured virus.

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Nobody exploded. We just wait for proof. There is none. But you do not need it if it backs what you want to believe.
 
Nordberg said:
Nobody exploded. We just wait for proof. There is none. But you do not need it if it backs what you want to believe.
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If you weren't a total idiot you would already have your proof. The Furin cleavage site is a 44 caliber smoking gun. I have had courses in imunology and virologly on the post graduate level. And the changes in COVID that changed it from a non pathogen to a deadly pathogen did not likely happen by accident. This is what the bat lady was doing in Wuhan.


“Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.”

“We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.”

What this means, in non-technical language, is that Shi (bat lady) set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. Her plan was to take genes that coded for spike proteins possessing a variety of measured affinities for human cells, ranging from high to low. She would insert these spike genes one by one into the backbone of a number of viral genomes (“reverse genetics” and “infectious clone technology”), creating a series of chimeric viruses. These chimeric viruses would then be tested for their ability to attack human cell cultures (“in vitro”) and humanized mice (“in vivo”). And this information would help predict the likelihood of “spillover,” the jump of a coronavirus from bats to people.
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COVID has a furin cleavage site at S1S2 and a 12-nucleotide inserted right at the S1/S2 junction. The sequence T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC

There are several curious features about this insert but the oddest is that of the two side-by-side CGG codons. Only 5 percent of SARS2’s arginine codons are CGG, and the double codon CGG-CGG has not been found in any other beta-coronavirus. So how did SARS2 acquire a pair of arginine codons that are favored by human cells but not by coronaviruses?
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Insertion of a sequence at the S1S2 junction in a bat corona virus was EXACTLY what the "bat lady" purposed to do when she applied for a DOD grant the year before COVID emerged in the city where the Bat Lady was doing her experiments in a bio 2 lab not a bio 4 lab. (Coincidence? I know)

So if you have a basic understanding of virology you can see a Lab Leak is HIGHLY likely and natural origin is little more than a conspiracy theory.n't.
 
ExpressLane said:
The Libratards exploded when Senator Tom Cotton and Trump both identified the Wuhan lab as the source very early on.
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Trump is implying that Covid-19 was a Chines bioweapon. That's the only sense I can make of his statement: “We demand reparations from the Communist Party of China. China must pay. They must pay.” He wants them to pay $10 trillion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-speech-china-covid-reparations-b1860402.html

It's unlikely that he understands the pros and cons of the dispute sufficiently to make an informed judgment. But as always, he tells his fans what they want to hear.
 
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Tranquillus in Exile said:
Trump is implying that Covid-19 was a Chines bioweapon. That's the only sense I can make of his statement: “We demand reparations from the Communist Party of China. China must pay. They must pay.” He wants them to pay $10 trillion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-speech-china-covid-reparations-b1860402.html

It's unlikely that he understands the pros and cons of the dispute sufficiently to make an informed judgment. But as always, he tells his fans what they want to hear.
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He never said it was a bioweapon. If an American company killed millions of people don't you think countries would demand reparations? The WIV is OWNED by the CCP. So they should pay. In the US alone 1.1 million people have died from COVID and hundreds of thousands have been harmed by it. Ten trillion is getting off cheap.
 
We went from "it's the flu" to "Fauci committed mass murder!"

Pretty much all you need to know about conservatives in 2023. They have lost their compass.
 
BartenderElite said:
We went from "it's the flu" to "Fauci committed mass murder!"

Pretty much all you need to know about conservatives in 2023. They have lost their compass.
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The flu pandemic of 1918 was pretty bad too. It killed 675,000 in the US with one third as many people living in the US. And it killed ~50 million world wide. So yeah the flu of 1918 was worse than COVID. It killed massive amounts of people. Now go do something you know about and make me a pina colada.
 
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ExpressLane said:
The flu pandemic of 1918 was pretty bad too. It killed 675,000 in the US with one third as many people living in the US. And it killed ~50 million world wide. So yeah the flu of 1918 was worse than COVID. It killed massive amounts of people. Now go do something you know about and make me a pina colada.
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LOL

So intellectually honest.

I wonder what you would have thought of your own reply 2.5 years ago.
 
ExpressLane said:
You are posting here like Libratards have not said the Lab Leak theory was a conspiracy theory.
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Early on the scientists were quite clear that the genetics indicated a natural source, so OF COURSE the lab leak theory was considered a "conspiracy theory" because it was backed by loons who only cared about scoring points on ebil China.

It's not like you folks were somehow insightful. You didn't have any data and you sure as hell didn't understand the scientific data, so why do you think you are somehow validated for accidentally agreeing with a small handful of people now?


Sane people have always identified the Wuhan lab as the most likely source for COVID.
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Not necessarily the people who understand how viruses work, though.

The Libratards exploded when Senator Tom Cotton and Trump
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Neither one of them are geneticists or virologists. And if you go with Trump on your science you will be well and truly screwed. The man is a fuckin' idiot.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Early on the scientists were quite clear that the genetics indicated a natural source, so OF COURSE the lab leak theory was considered a "conspiracy theory" because it was backed by loons who only cared about scoring points on ebil China.

It's not like you folks were somehow insightful. You didn't have any data and you sure as hell didn't understand the scientific data, so why do you think you are somehow validated for accidentally agreeing with a small handful of people now?




Not necessarily the people who understand how viruses work, though.



Neither one of them are geneticists or virologists. And if you go with Trump on your science you will be well and truly screwed. The man is a fuckin' idiot.
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This is alternate universe stuff.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
What is? That scientists know more about genetics than the OP does? Or that loons hate China more than they care about accuracy?
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The science indicates that this bug is lab generated, given the genetics it almost could not possibly be nature made, as the scientists had to know if they were even moderately qualified. This was well known by March 2020. It has been confirmed by enormous efforts over years to find anything like it in the wild failing.
 
Remember 50 senior intel people signing a letter that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation...they flat out lied their asses off. The same happened with senior scientists and journals claiming that SARS-COV2 could not possibly have come from the lab...they lied their asses off.
 
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