News from Englandistan
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If the left in America gets the chance, you'll see that here, I suspect.
So far, they haven't succeeded, AFAIK.
Let me check, though.
Grok, have any Americans been arrested for "deadnaming" their own child?
No, there are no documented cases of Americans being arrested specifically for "deadnaming" (using the birth name of) their own child.
What the evidence shows
- US context: Extensive searches turn up no arrests, charges, or jail time for parents in the United States solely for referring to their minor child by their birth name or biological sex. Related issues appear in:
- Custody disputes where courts may consider persistent misgendering/deadnaming as a factor in "coercive control" or family dynamics (e.g., proposed or debated in places like Colorado), but these involve civil/family court proceedings, not criminal arrests.
- School or public accommodation policies, harassment complaints, or anti-discrimination expansions that treat intentional deadnaming as potential discrimination in certain contexts—but again, no parental arrests for private/family use of birth names.
- Broader cultural debates, but no criminal enforcement against parents for this.
- Contrast with Canada: High-profile cases exist there, notably the B.C. father (often referred to as "C.D.") who was held in contempt of court, sentenced to jail time (including 6 months originally, later reduced), and arrested for violating publication bans and court orders by publicly referring to his transgender child by birth name/pronouns and discussing the case in media/interviews. This was treated as criminal contempt, not a standalone "deadnaming" crime.
If new cases emerge or you're referring to a specific incident, more details would help narrow it down— but based on available public records, this hasn't happened in America.
Grok, I made a meme.
Classic Simpsons "yet" meme format—nailed it.Top panel: Optimistic denial. Bottom: Homer dropping the ominous reality check.
Fact-check?
View: https://x.com/DaveKent101/status/2070952659691991274?s=20
The core claim in the post is mostly accurate, with some important nuances on the scale, context, and implications.
Important context on "grooming gangs":
This fits into a long-running UK scandal involving grooming gangs, institutional failures, and debates over ethnicity/cultural factors. A national independent inquiry was announced, and reviews like this are part of addressing under-policed historic cases. The image in the post is a critical meme targeting Khan and Rowley over alleged cover-ups.
Bottom line: The reopening of thousands of cases is real and significant, validating long-standing concerns about under-investigation in London. The political accountability angle is a valid point of debate but remains opinion/speculation rather than confirmed outcome. This is a developing story tied to national efforts for justice for victims.
The core claim in the post is mostly accurate, with some important nuances on the scale, context, and implications.
What the post says
- Scotland Yard (Metropolitan Police) is being forced to re-open 4,000+ "rape gang" (grooming gang) cases going back to 2010 across London.
- This raises questions about accountability for Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley and London Mayor Sadiq Khan, who previously downplayed the issue.
Verification from recent reporting
- Yes, the Met identified over 4,000 cases for potential reopening. They reviewed around 12,000 reports of alleged group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) dating back to 2010. Of those, more than 4,000 previously closed cases (no further action or charges) were flagged and referred to the National Crime Agency (NCA) under Operation Beaconport. The NCA will decide which ones to formally reopen.
- This follows a broader national audit/review prompted by earlier inspectorate findings and Baroness Casey’s work on group-based CSE ("grooming gangs").
- Earlier stages of the Met's review referenced an initial ~9,000 historic cases being assessed, which was narrowed after initial scrutiny (e.g., some didn't fully match criteria for group-based exploitation).
Important context on "grooming gangs":
- Not all cases fit the classic "Pakistani Muslim grooming gang" model seen in places like Rotherham or Rochdale. Police and reports note a mix: intra-familial abuse, peer-on-peer, institutional, online exploitation, and offenders from diverse ethnic backgrounds. However, the review was specifically spurred by concerns over organized group-based CSE, where failures to act (sometimes linked to fears of "racism" accusations) have been documented nationally.
- The post's phrasing ("rape gang cases") aligns with public discourse on these scandals but is somewhat shorthand; official language uses "group-based child sexual exploitation."
On resignations, investigations, or prosecutions for Khan and Rowley
- No evidence they are being forced to resign or face prosecution at this time. The post is expressing frustration and speculation ("will now resign...?").
- Khan has faced criticism for earlier statements downplaying grooming gangs in London (e.g., in London Assembly sessions, where he reportedly said he didn't understand the term or denied the scale). Critics call this "gaslighting" victims.
- Rowley (Met Commissioner) has acknowledged the need for more resources and committed to investigations. The force has been under pressure from watchdogs, victims, and political scrutiny.
- Calls for accountability (resignations, inquiries into cover-ups) are common in commentary, especially from critics of Labour and the Met's past handling, but no formal moves toward prosecution for "denial and cover-up" are reported. Past grooming gang inquiries (e.g., Rotherham) highlighted systemic failures, including political correctness, but individual high-level prosecutions are rare.
Broader background
This fits into a long-running UK scandal involving grooming gangs, institutional failures, and debates over ethnicity/cultural factors. A national independent inquiry was announced, and reviews like this are part of addressing under-policed historic cases. The image in the post is a critical meme targeting Khan and Rowley over alleged cover-ups.
Bottom line: The reopening of thousands of cases is real and significant, validating long-standing concerns about under-investigation in London. The political accountability angle is a valid point of debate but remains opinion/speculation rather than confirmed outcome. This is a developing story tied to national efforts for justice for victims.