No trolls, adult conversation about Coronavirus.

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Trump's claim it was just the flu could come back to bite him. There'll be a 1000 dead American voters by Friday.....mostly Republicans. If the death toll exceeds that of flu, the Democrats will be trumpeting (pun intended) that fact all the way to Election Day.
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NYC has more deaths than any other place and NY State has about half the cases in the country. New York is BLUE state. It would seem that more Democrat voters are dying than Republicans.
 
Once it was proclaimed that only essential stores were to remain open and liquor stores (which are seperated from all other stores) were considered essential I stocked up on beer . The cashier told me they were expecting me.
 
ExpressLane said:
NYC has more deaths than any other place and NY State has about half the cases in the country. New York is BLUE state. It would seem that more Democrat voters are dying than Republicans.
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Time will tell. Some facts: NYC has a population of 8.6M which is more people than 39 of the US states. NYC is the most densely populated area of the US. It's the center of US business which involves a lot of international trade. It fits that it would hit first by this disease and hit hardest.

COVID-19 is twice as contagious as the flu and ten times as deadly. It hits senior citizens the hardest. The reason I said it will hit the Republicans hardest is because most young people lean left and most older people lean right. This disease has already spread and we'll know in a couple of weeks how far and to whom.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population
 
leaningright said:
We are good. Staying away from folks as much as possible. Got plenty of food. For the first time ever we canceled Sunday service but I did a sermon on Facebook Live from my living room.
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I think all churches, mosques & temples etc are doing that in this area..

I think many are kinda nervous about it though......
 
PoliTalker said:
Why this is not comparable to seasonal flu:

Seasonal flu does not overwhelm hospitals all over the planet!
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It is not a flu, but it still may be seasonal. It takes time for survivors to build up antibodies. Since this is a brand spankin new virus, we had no defenses against it. Every iteration, we will build up resistance.
I am Netflixing bigly. Watched Train to Busan tonight. It is a Korean zombie apocalyptic movie.
 
My girls are spread internationally, Australia, the US, the UK and various European countries. They're all on lockdown, access to supplies is difficult and NONE of them has any confidence in their ' leadership'. We're not far short of things turning nasty.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Trump's claim it was just the flu could come back to bite him. There'll be a 1000 dead American voters by Friday.....mostly Republicans. If the death toll exceeds that of flu, the Democrats will be trumpeting (pun intended) that fact all the way to Election Day.


https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...onavirus-to-the-flu-but-they-are-not-the-same
1. COVID-19 is novel, or new. That means there's no vaccine, and it's unclear how it will manifest;

2. This strain of coronavirus appears to infect two to 2.5 people versus 1.3 with the flu, so coronavirus seems to be about twice as contagious as the flu;

3. Some 20% of coronavirus patients are in serious enough condition to go to the hospital, 10 times the number who wind up in the hospital because of the flu;

4. Hospital stays for the coronavirus are twice as as long as for the flu;

5. About 8% of people get the flu every year. Some estimates are 25% to 50%, possibly up to 80%, could get the coronavirus without drastic actions being taken by individuals, states and municipalities and the federal government;


6. The coronavirus could be 10 times deadlier than the flu — about 0.1% who get flu die. It's estimated that about 1% of those who have gotten coronavirus have died from it;

7. There are treatments for the flu. There are no approved treatments for the coronavirus, despite the president's optimism for certain drugs, which are untested for coronavirus to this point; and

8. The flu tends to wane in warm weather, but it's too soon to count on that for coronavirus, which is thriving in warm, tropical places.

One of the people advising the president has already argued that this is not a good comparison to make.

"I mean people always say, 'Well, the flu does this, the flu does that,' " Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said two weeks ago during a hearing before the House Oversight and Reform Committee. He added, "The flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That's the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this."
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80,000 Americans died from A(H3N2) in 2017 but that was just flu, fucking idiot!
 
Jade Dragon said:
Back down around the Northern Dayton suburbs. Was looking in a few of them to find the perfect house. My usual luck though. We put moving on the back burner and a house comes on the market that's walking distance to family.
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That's usually the way it goes. My wife's family is from the Dayton area.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Trump's claim it was just the flu could come back to bite him. There'll be a 1000 dead American voters by Friday.....mostly Republicans. If the death toll exceeds that of flu, the Democrats will be trumpeting (pun intended) that fact all the way to Election Day.


https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...onavirus-to-the-flu-but-they-are-not-the-same
1. COVID-19 is novel, or new. That means there's no vaccine, and it's unclear how it will manifest;

2. This strain of coronavirus appears to infect two to 2.5 people versus 1.3 with the flu, so coronavirus seems to be about twice as contagious as the flu;

3. Some 20% of coronavirus patients are in serious enough condition to go to the hospital, 10 times the number who wind up in the hospital because of the flu;

4. Hospital stays for the coronavirus are twice as as long as for the flu;

5. About 8% of people get the flu every year. Some estimates are 25% to 50%, possibly up to 80%, could get the coronavirus without drastic actions being taken by individuals, states and municipalities and the federal government;


6. The coronavirus could be 10 times deadlier than the flu — about 0.1% who get flu die. It's estimated that about 1% of those who have gotten coronavirus have died from it;

7. There are treatments for the flu. There are no approved treatments for the coronavirus, despite the president's optimism for certain drugs, which are untested for coronavirus to this point; and

8. The flu tends to wane in warm weather, but it's too soon to count on that for coronavirus, which is thriving in warm, tropical places.

One of the people advising the president has already argued that this is not a good comparison to make.

"I mean people always say, 'Well, the flu does this, the flu does that,' " Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said two weeks ago during a hearing before the House Oversight and Reform Committee. He added, "The flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That's the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this."
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Oh, there you go. Making good points and sense.

That will never fly with the skeptics.

Thanks for posting facts in such a no-nonsense way.

People need to see such reasonable thinking. Hopefully such rational thought will sink in if it hasn't already.

Deniers are going to have to give it up sooner or later. The only questions are when, and how much damage is needlessly done before they do.

This is not going away. It is wake up time. We are at war. This is not a war of our choosing, but it does unite us all. It's the humans against the bugs. So far, they are kicking our ass. What are we going to do about it?
 
Jade Dragon said:
Anyone else on lockdown? Did you get enough supplies?
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Because it was suggested that people have two weeks stock of supplies there are now no paper products or bottled water in our stores. The instruction was for those that had symptoms and might be contagious. Now if someone gets the virus they are screwed or will have to order online. Thankfully some of our stores deliver groceries.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



Oh, there you go. Making good points and sense.

That will never fly with the skeptics.

Thanks for posting facts in such a no-nonsense way.

People need to see such reasonable thinking. Hopefully such rational thought will sink in if it hasn't already.

Deniers are going to have to give it up sooner or later. The only questions are when, and how much damage is needlessly done before they do.

This is not going away. It is wake up time. We are at war. This is not a war of our choosing, but it does unite us all. It's the humans against the bugs. So far, they are kicking our ass. What are we going to do about it?
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Trump is pushing hard to restart the economy despite the high risk to a large demographic of Trump voters. The Republicans are resisting him because they understand the science, or are listening to the experts. In the end, I think Trump will win. Could be a complete win or a partial win. About 3 weeks after Easter is Cinco de Mayo. Should be fun.

Once Trump lets that particular Genie out of the bottle, it will be difficult for him to put it back in because he never admits to making a mistake. He'll ride that horse all the way to the election, blaming both the Chinese and the Democrats the whole way. If the economy picks up again, despite thousands of dead older Trump voters, that's a point in his favor. If the COVID-19 death count exceeds the annual flu death rates, that'll work against him on election day.

All of that is from a purely economic and political point of view, not the tens of thousands of tragedies Americans will suffer by burying their dead.
 
Bill said:
I think all churches, mosques & temples etc are doing that in this area..

I think many are kinda nervous about it though......
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Why are they nervous about a Facebook Live sermon at home? Or did you mean the virus in general?
 
Jade Dragon said:
Anyone else on lockdown? Did you get enough supplies?
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Not a lock down, but all "non essential" businesses were ordered closed here. I saw this shit storm coming before the sheep did, so I had my shopping completed before the run on the stores happened. When I first saw the articles about toilet paper in Australia, I figured there would be shortages of essentials here.
 
I live in mid Missouri between cows and (soon to be) cornfields. No lockdown here but some of the places have shut down. Plenty of supplies in the stores around this area. Shortage of ground beef at grocery stores but the butcher shops have enough.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Trump is pushing hard to restart the economy despite the high risk to a large demographic of Trump voters. The Republicans are resisting him because they understand the science, or are listening to the experts. In the end, I think Trump will win. Could be a complete win or a partial win. About 3 weeks after Easter is Cinco de Mayo. Should be fun.

Once Trump lets that particular Genie out of the bottle, it will be difficult for him to put it back in because he never admits to making a mistake. He'll ride that horse all the way to the election, blaming both the Chinese and the Democrats the whole way. If the economy picks up again, despite thousands of dead older Trump voters, that's a point in his favor. If the COVID-19 death count exceeds the annual flu death rates, that'll work against him on election day.

All of that is from a purely economic and political point of view, not the tens of thousands of tragedies Americans will suffer by burying their dead.
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All good points. Very astute.

I don't think DT is going to get his way. He can say open for business all he wants. Governors are going to do what they need to do. This thing is ramping up fast, exploding. We are not going to be able to pretend it's all clear go back to work in 3 weeks. That's nothing but wishful thinking. DT already changed his tune from the 15 days nonsense. DT will be saying different things in time. That's the way he is. Throw things up against the wall to see what sticks. He is still clinging to denial. Sad. We could so use a really good leader right now. I wish we had FDR.
 
I desperately need a haircut. Fortunately, I have a choice of two Stetsons.
Washington State was officially "locked down" a couple of days ago. Only take out orders are available. We have an excellent chain of drive-in restaurants about a mile from here. I haven't eaten from a McDonald's drive-through in at least a decade. While checking their menu online, I came across an article about the foods the employees won't eat. Topping the list was their fish sandwiches.

I live at the original U.S. epicenter. Patient zero was in my county, of the same medical group, and quarantined at the same hospital where I recently had surgery.

I must gently mock those of you who argue whether Democrats or Republicans will suffer the most as if the virus cares about politics.
 
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