Obama Presidential Center set to open.

[T. A. Gardner]

Well as per what economists say you have to spend your way out of a recession / depression and he did, to the tune of about 8 Trillion dollars over the 8 years he was in.

Some do, others don't. Spending your way out of debt, which is what that is, rarely works. It didn't work for FDR, for example. What did work is rearming for a world war.

Yes he ran up the debt, but Every Republican president we have had in the last 35 years or so has too, Reagan almost tripled it, Bush doubled it , Obama added almost 8 Trillion in 8 years and Trump added almost as much ( 8 trillion ) in his first 4 years and has added almost another 3 Trillion already in his second term, yes almost 11 Trillion in just over 5 years 5 months.

Reagan spent on a massive expansion of the military that the Soviet Union tried to match. It bankrupted the Soviets and their economy, then dictatorship, collapsed as a result.

When you take inflation into account, Obama added about twice as much, and worse, added the infinitely running Obamacare disaster to that. And, yes, Obamacare was and is a disaster.

You have to agree when Obama took over we were in a DEEP recession almost a depression and he got us back on track.
And it is a fact that 12 out of the last 13 Recessions we have had were started under a Republican President, Republicans run us into recessions and run up the debt and Dems get us out of them.

I can agree to that. It was the culmination of a really, really, bad plan to make mortgages more accessible to people who really couldn't afford mortgages. To make things worse, the people who primarily took advantage of that were ones in the middle and upper middle class who saw it as a means to get rich.

Recessions might start with a Republican president, but they are usually rooted in the bad policies of the previous Democrat(ic) president. Economic ruin doesn't happen in an instant. It can take years of building up to a breaking point.

 

[Diogenes]

Obama's monument looks like a place to take a piss or a shit.

 

[Tbird19482]

That building is fugly, way over budget, was way over construction schedule and has cost the taxpayers of Chicago 300 million so far. A typical democrat cluster fuck.

There are NO taxpayer dollars use in these type of projects, they are funded by donations.

how is the obama library being funded - Bing

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The Obama Presidential Library is primarily funded through private donations raised by the Obama Foundation, with no federal funds used for construction, though a promised $470 million endowment to protect taxpayers remains largely unfunded.

Private Donations and Foundation Support
The Obama Foundation is responsible for raising nearly all funds for the construction of the Obama Presidential Center, which includes the library, museum, community forum, athletic center, and a Chicago Public Library branch
. By the end of 2023, the foundation had raised approximately $1.5 billion in contributions, with net assets of $962 million, keeping it on track toward a $1.6 billion fundraising goal

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not surprisingly, the low foreheaded MAGA droolers and nose-pickers are hung up on the notion that the building isn't "pretty" or "flashy" looking.

Like trump's wives.

Glossy, flashy, shiny, glittering .... big tits, etc.

But with no substance.

So typical and indicative of their low educated, simple-minded, uninformed, unenlightened, pedestrian Joe Sixpack tastes.

But like trump himself, any building with his name on it, will be all empty, flashy style and bluster with no substance or thoughtfulness or inspiring in its love and respect for the US or freedom or democracy or even decency.

Like his time in office, no higher ideals.

OTOH....

On the upper corner of the Obama Presidential Center, built right into the exterior structure of the building, is the following passage...

"You are America. Unconstrained by habit and convention. Unencumbered by what is, ready to seize what ought to be. For everywhere in this country, there are first steps to be taken, there is new ground to cover, there are more bridges to be crossed. America is not the project of any one person. The single most powerful word in our democracy is the word ‘We.’ ‘We The People.’ ‘We Shall Overcome.’ ‘Yes We Can.’ That word is owned by no one. It belongs to everyone. Oh, what a glorious task we are given to continually try to improve this great nation of ours.”

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Not surprising that trump's followers completely overlook that just to disparage the seriousness of the building's appearance.

One can easily imagine what would be etched into trump's building....

• "I know words. I have the best words."
• "Nobody knows more about taxes than me, maybe in the history of the world."
• "Nobody knows more about infrastructure than me."
• "I know more about grass than any human being, I think, anywhere in the world."
• "Individuals running for president or vice president should undergo a cognitive test. No president before me has ever taken one. I have taken three cognitive tests."
• "Nobody’s ever been more successful than me."
• "Nobody builds better walls than me."
• "Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am."
• "I was always the best athlete, people don't know that. But I was successful at everything I ever did."
• “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”
• “I don't mean to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 1 day and the box said 2-4 years.”

I would more concerned about the structural issues with the building. Obama insisted on using minority contractors for much of the construction even where no really qualified contractor could be located. This resulted in serious construction delays--raising costs significantly--and worse, shoddy and poor construction in many areas. For example, the primary concrete subcontractor, One Construction, along with three subsidiary firms, had no experience in big vertical pours of prestressed concrete. This resulted in serious structural issues, massive rework, and even the need for additional material to reinforce the structure as the concrete wasn't sound.

The company blamed delays and setbacks on "racism" rather than their obvious incompetence.

My guess, at this point, is that down the road in five to ten years, Obama's library building will require hundreds of millions in serious structural repairs as more previously undetected issues with poor construction show up.

 

[Diogenes]

$850 million​

The approximate cost to build the 225-foot-tall (70-meter-tall) museum tower and nearly 20-acre (8-hectare) campus. The cost ballooned from the initial estimates of $350 million.

Inside Obama’s presidential museum opening this month: The cost, the books and a beehive - WTOP News

CHICAGO (AP) — The Obama Presidential Center will open June 19, more than a decade after the former president chose his hometown of Chicago for the project. The museum displays campaign memorabilia…

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[Diogenes]

It's been nicknamed the "Obamalisk" and compared to a Star Wars spaceship and the Eye of Sauron from "The Lord of the Rings".

Barack Obama's $850-million-dollar presidential center in Chicago has caused a stir even before the Democratic former president officially opens it on June 18.

Obama's is the latest, and perhaps most audacious, example of the peculiarly American genre of monuments that US leaders have erected to themselves after leaving office.

Causing the most controversy is its centerpiece — the near-windowless, 225-foot (69-meter) granite obelisk.

Locals complained when it was announced in 2018 that the center would be built on a piece of green space.

Obama was heavily involved in the design — almost too heavily at times, Valerie Jarrett, CEO of the Obama Foundation and a former top White House aide during his presidency. "He's a bit of a frustrated architect, and so he had a lot to say about the way the building was designed," she said.

Obama's 'Star Wars' center touts his legacy

It's been nicknamed the "Obamalisk" and compared to a Star Wars spaceship and the Eye of Sauron from "The Lord of the Rings". Obama himself has poked fun at the Star Wars comparisons, appearing in a v...

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[Diogenes]

Obama Center's Two Sides: A Lovely Park and a Forbidding Tower​

Obama Center’s Two Sides: A Lovely Park and a Forbidding Tower

In Chicago, the $850 million Obama Presidential Center aims to remake a neighborhood with a 19.3-acre community hub and a brooding 225-foot museum.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Nomad]

I would more concerned about the structural issues with the building. Obama insisted on using minority contractors for much of the construction even where no really qualified contractor could be located. This resulted in serious construction delays--raising costs significantly--and worse, shoddy and poor construction in many areas. For example, the primary concrete subcontractor, One Construction, along with three subsidiary firms, had no experience in big vertical pours of prestressed concrete. This resulted in serious structural issues, massive rework, and even the need for additional material to reinforce the structure as the concrete wasn't sound.

The company blamed delays and setbacks on "racism" rather than their obvious incompetence.

My guess, at this point, is that down the road in five to ten years, Obama's library building will require hundreds of millions in serious structural repairs as more previously undetected issues with poor construction show up.

You're seriously over exaggerating the supposed structural issues which in truth, are non-existent.



As for the victim crying by the concrete sub, I'd say it sounds a lot like trump's victim crying about non-existent election fraud and non-existent media bias

 

[Nomad]

$850 million​

The approximate cost to build the 225-foot-tall (70-meter-tall) museum tower and nearly 20-acre (8-hectare) campus. The cost ballooned from the initial estimates of $350 million.

Inside Obama’s presidential museum opening this month: The cost, the books and a beehive - WTOP News

CHICAGO (AP) — The Obama Presidential Center will open June 19, more than a decade after the former president chose his hometown of Chicago for the project. The museum displays campaign memorabilia…

wtop.com

Kinda like trump's ballroom fiasco?

Yep.

Just like that.

 

[Diogenes]

Kinda like trump's ballroom fiasco? Yep. Just like that.

Whataboutism.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You're seriously over exaggerating the supposed structural issues which in truth, are non-existent.

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As for the victim crying by the concrete sub, I'd say it sounds a lot like trump's victim crying about non-existent election fraud and non-existent media bias

I wouldn't bet on it. There are plenty of previous examples of engineering failures, or potential failures, based on shoddy construction that went undetected. There were significant issues in the construction of this building, and given the nature of the contractors, that argues there are potentially more to be found as the building ages.

Among problematic concrete work at the OPC site, Thornton Tomasetti cites a mat pour exhibiting curing heat issues; garage entry ramp placed to the wrong thickness; incorrect rebar layering in walls; exposed rebar in architectural concrete sections; and, incorrect repairs on an extensively cracked slab. Ultimately, the firm’s memo calls out Lakeside Alliance for criticizing Thornton Tomasetti’s “applying the correct engineering standard.”

Obama library case speaks volumes about contract priorities and contractor selection – Concrete Products

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[TOP]

$850 million​

The approximate cost to build the 225-foot-tall (70-meter-tall) museum tower and nearly 20-acre (8-hectare) campus. The cost ballooned from the initial estimates of $350 million.

Inside Obama’s presidential museum opening this month: The cost, the books and a beehive - WTOP News

CHICAGO (AP) — The Obama Presidential Center will open June 19, more than a decade after the former president chose his hometown of Chicago for the project. The museum displays campaign memorabilia…

wtop.com

Kinda like trump's ballroom fiasco?

Yep.

Just like that.

his projects were absolutely necessary..
And they will be spectacular Editions to DC and the White House....

 

[Nomad]

I wouldn't bet on it. There are plenty of previous examples of engineering failures, or potential failures, based on shoddy construction that went undetected. There were significant issues in the construction of this building, and given the nature of the contractors, that argues there are potentially more to be found as the building ages.

Link up or shut up.

 

[LurchAddams]

CHICAGO – A shiny new library, a towering museum and a civic center devoted to the nation's 44th president have been a decade in the making on Chicago's South Side.

Now, the Obama Presidential Center is on the verge of opening to the public on Juneteenth weekend.

The center sits on a 19.3-acre campus on Chicago's South Side, complete with a playground, sledding hill, Chicago Public Library branch and more. Standing eight stories tall in the park is the museum, a slightly different take on historical presidential libraries. Instead of housing all of the records at a presidential library, the Obama Foundation had the presidential archives digitized and instead created a museum and community spaces.

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Gold statue outside? No? Loser!

 

[LurchAddams]

Don’t care. Wouldn’t piss on it if it were on fire

Yes, it would be awkward since you pee sitting shit-stain!

Go suck a butt!

 

[LurchAddams]

I liken the Obama library to a Nazi flak tower. An imposing bunker-like building towering over the landscape.

A mediocre building design for a mediocre president.

You'd like it much better if it was painted "American Flag" blue and covered in gold?

LOL

 

[LurchAddams]

You can just hear the Darth Vader theme music...

Still triggered Obama is still the most popular president in modern times? That must be so irratating for you!

Would you like it better if Obama included a ballroom?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You'd like it much better if it was painted "American Flag" blue and covered in gold?

LOL

No, it'd still be a hideous Early American Fuhrer Bunker-style monstrosity. The design is fugly.

 

[Nomad]

his projects were absolutely necessary..
And they will be spectacular Editions to DC and the White House....View attachment 85514

And the ballroom is bullshit.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Still triggered Obama is still the most popular president in modern times? That must be so irratating for you!

Would you like it better if Obama included a ballroom?

No. Trump's ballroom is baroque at best and probably--when finished if it is--will need serious updating in the future to make it more contemporary and stylish.