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PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



40,000 people a year die in gun deaths in the USA.

Congratulations, NRA. That is a new record. That is a record gun profiteers should be proud of.

It surpasses the deaths on American highways, despite more people driving more miles than ever.

Gun profiteers must be laughing all the way to the bank.

The more blood that flows the more money they make.

Destroying lives for profit.

Imagine all the heartache of those left behind.

Children without parents.

Parents having to bury their children.

Wow. That's some serious sorrow.

That's the kind of thing that sticks with a person.

That destroys their ability to enjoy life.

In a way, more lives are taken than just the ones who bleed out.

The NRA should be just as proud of all that heartache and misery as they are over the blood.

It is a testament to their profits.
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The usual argument from randU fallacies, distortions about the NRA, and appeal to emotion fallacy.
 
Into the Night said:
So you just insulted 1.75 million people.

Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that making simplistic arguments.

You do.

No, this is moronic LW mantra. Inversion fallacy.

Shoot back. The homicide rate is quite low in the United States.The number of guns involved in violence of any kind is VERY low.

No. It has been denied by YOU uncountable number of times.
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I insulted the RW morons. You’re shitty at numbers, too.

Fake fallacy.

Liar

Liar

40,000 gun deaths per year. Highest rate in westernized societies.

Gun death rates

US - 12.2
Mexico - 7.6
Finland - 3.2
France - 2.8
Canada - 2.0
Norway - 1.7
Sweden - 1.6
Germany - 1.0
Austalia - 1.0
UK - 0.2
Japan - 0.06
 
domer76 said:
I insulted the RW morons. You’re shitty at numbers, too.

Fake fallacy.

Liar

Liar

40,000 gun deaths per year. Highest rate in westernized societies.

Gun death rates

US - 12.2
Mexico - 7.6
Finland - 3.2
France - 2.8
Canada - 2.0
Norway - 1.7
Sweden - 1.6
Germany - 1.0
Austalia - 1.0
UK - 0.2
Japan - 0.06
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Argument from randU fallacy. RDCF. YALIFNAP.
 
Into the Night said:
State laws too. The 2nd amendment is binding upon the States. In addition, most State constitutions have similar statements in them.
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The 2nd Amendment is provably a protection of the states and the individual against the federal government. It absolutely does not apply to the states. That is a myth.
 
Arminius said:
The 2nd Amendment is provably a protection of the states and the individual against the federal government. It absolutely does not apply to the states. That is a myth.
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The 2nd amendment discusses two rights. The right of a State to defend itself, and the right of the individual to defend himself.

States defend themselves using militias. The organized militia of the State of Washington currently has 75 members.
Individual defend themselves with arms (weapons).

The 2nd amendment is binding up on the States. Each State is also prevented by this same amendment from implementing any infringement on the rights of people to defend themselves (even against a rogue State government agent). It always has been so since there has been a 2nd amendment.
Most States themselves echo this same right of self defense in their own constitutions.

The right of self defense is inherent. It is not given by any piece of paper. It DOES specifically prohibit the federal or any State government from messing with it.

A State must observe the right of self defense. Whether such a statement exists in their own constitutions or not is simply redundancy.

As far as a 'proof', proofs only exist in closed functional systems, such as mathematics or logic.

Several parts of the Constitution are binding upon the States. The guarantee of a republican form of government in each State, for example (one that has a constitution). Another is the method of electing the President of the United States through the use of an electoral college. Another is the method each State must use in selecting Congressmen. Another is the 3rd, 4th, and 5th amendments. The State cannot quarter troops (members of the organized militias) in your home either. The State must conform to certain rights in any trial. The State cannot compel you to testify against yourself among them. The 6th amendment also applies. You have the right to a speedy trial in any State. The 7th and 8th amendments also apply. So do the 9th and 10th. Indeed, most of the amendments apply to the States as well as the federal government. They cannot practice slavery. They cannot ignore the right of the federal government to protect its own borders.

One that does not apply is the 1st amendment. It applies only to Congress (that is, the federal government). Each State can limit speech, impose religious requirements for office, or any of a number of things. States today do impose limits on speech (the 'fire in a crowded theater laws', for example). No State is currently requiring a religious affiliation for holding a State office, but they can if they modify their own constitutions to do so. Currently, there is no significant movement in any State desiring to do so.

There are some here that believe the courts have applied 'incorporation laws' upon the States. They are wrong. No court has the authority to change or interpret the Constitution of the United States.
 
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