PA-18 results thread

Teflon Don said:
I guess in your euphoria, you and your fellow libs are missing the larger point I am making and your teeny tiny, unevolved political minds can only grasp Democrat won; Republican lost.

All I am saying, which is too difficult for you to grasp is that if Lamb votes according to his positions, I have another Pro gun/Pro Life vote in the House of Representatives. Why should I be upset about that?

I am no longer a Republican. I care about policy positions.

I didn't follow the race very closely, but I did listen to Lamb on PMSNBC this morning and he is a pretty vanilla fella.

Other than a democrat won, I am failing to see the all repudiation of conservatism, but hey if you feel good that is all that matters.

Have a blessed day
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I am a Democrat.

I am theoretically opposed to abortions. I wish they didn't happen. But I know that they just do and will continue to, whether legal or illegal. Given the reality of that, I prefer that they and their related health services remain legal and accessible, especially to the socio-economic group most likely to require them. So, if I was a politician, even though I am theoretically opposed to abortions, I would always vote to keep them legal and adequately funded.

I am also theoretically opposed to guns. I don't like them. I wish there weren't anywhere near as many of them floating around in society as there are. But I know the Constitution allows for them so they aren't going away. If I were a politician I would vote for common sense gun control laws but not for anything that went too far. But the opposite could hold true as well. A guy like Lamb can be pro-second Amendment and still vote for increased gun control laws.

My point in all this? Just knowing somebody's overall stance on an issue is no indication of how that person will vote on laws surrounding those issues.

IOW.... don't count your chickens.

Oh, and one more thing... one more guy with a D next to his name is one less guy with an R next to his name in the quest for regaining leadership and control of the House, the Speakership and all the committee chairs and decision making powers that go with it.

Seems as though if your political mind was as evolved as you seem to think it is, that would've been apparent to you.

Have a blessed day.
 
Nomad said:
I am a Democrat.

I am theoretically opposed to abortions. I wish they didn't happen. But I know that they just do and will continue to, whether legal or illegal. Given the reality of that, I prefer that they and their related health services remain legal and accessible, especially to the socio-economic group most likely to require them. So, if I was a politician, even though I am theoretically opposed to abortions, I would always vote to keep them legal and adequately funded.

I am also theoretically opposed to guns. I don't like them. I wish there weren't anywhere near as many of them floating around in society as there are. But I know the Constitution allows for them so they aren't going away. If I were a politician I would vote for common sense gun control laws but not for anything that went too far. But the opposite could hold true as well. A guy like Lamb can be pro-second Amendment and still vote for increased gun control laws.

My point in all this? Just knowing somebody's overall stance on an issue is no indication of how that person will vote on laws surrounding those issues.

IOW.... don't count your chickens.

Oh, and one more thing... one more guy with a D next to his name is one less guy with an R next to his name in the quest for regaining leadership and control of the House, the Speakership and all the committee chairs and decision making powers that go with it.

Seems as though if your political mind was as evolved as you seem to think it is, that would've been apparent to you.

Have a blessed day.
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BINGO!

Wow...the election is so close it hasn't even be called yet...and yet guys like Don are already twisting logic in order to make it seem that nothing is happening here of importance to Trump supporters.

The WAS about Donald Trump...and about his supporters.

They are losers.

I'm gonna just love the White House spin on this...whether it comes from Trump himself or from his toady, Sarah.
 
Nomad said:
I am a Democrat.

I am theoretically opposed to abortions. I wish they didn't happen. But I know that they just do and will continue to, whether legal or illegal. Given the reality of that, I prefer that they and their related health services remain legal and accessible, especially to the socio-economic group most likely to require them. So, if I was a politician, even though I am theoretically opposed to abortions, I would always vote to keep them legal and adequately funded.

I am also theoretically opposed to guns. I don't like them. I wish there weren't anywhere near as many of them floating around in society as there are. But I know the Constitution allows for them so they aren't going away. If I were a politician I would vote for common sense gun control laws but not for anything that went too far. But the opposite could hold true as well. A guy like Lamb can be pro-second Amendment and still vote for increased gun control laws.

My point in all this? Just knowing somebody's overall stance on an issue is no indication of how that person will vote on laws surrounding those issues.

IOW.... don't count your chickens.

Oh, and one more thing... one more guy with a D next to his name is one less guy with an R next to his name in the quest for regaining leadership and control of the House, the Speakership and all the committee chairs and decision making powers that go with it.

Seems as though if your political mind was as evolved as you seem to think it is, that would've been apparent to you.

Have a blessed day.
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Oh I get that it is about the democrat party taking control of committee chairs and decision making powers. That is your way of saying IMPEACHMENT FULL STEAM AHEAD.

Do you really think that if the democrat party takes control of the House, their first order of business is to follow Steyer and his impeachment wishes? I know that it would thrill people like you, GayRod and Thingy. Probably be the biggest orgasm of your pathetic lives. But, do you really think that is the best course of action for the democrat party?

I know you are going to bring up Clinton, Benghazi and whatever else to justify your answer.

But, be honest. Do you really think the results of last night were about impeaching Donald Trump? For fucks sake, Lamb said Pelosi has to go from leadership.
 
Frank Apisa said:
BINGO!

Wow...the election is so close it hasn't even be called yet...and yet guys like Don are already twisting logic in order to make it seem that nothing is happening here of importance to Trump supporters.

The WAS about Donald Trump...and about his supporters.

They are losers.

I'm gonna just love the White House spin on this...whether it comes from Trump himself or from his toady, Sarah.
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Again, I specifically ask you as I have asked others. What about this election was ABOUT Trump?

Can you point to any of Lamb's anti Trump statements?

He was asked about it during his interview on Morning Underwood this AM on PMSNBC and he shied away from it. In fact he even said "Trump is very popular in my district". So show me with real objective evidence how this election was ABOUT Trump. Not just liberal fairy tales. Objective facts

I know you really want it to be. And it may very well be. I just haven't seen any facts other than you claiming it to be so
 
Teflon Don said:
It kind of stands to reason doesn't it? People typically vote for people because they support their positions on certain policies.

Let me rephrase the question a different way so you can understand it given your limited intelligence.

Did any liberal/left leaning policies win the day yesterday? Forget the D vs R for a second. But, did any liberal policies win the day?

Single payor?
Gun control?
Tax increases?
Trump impeachment?
Amnesty?
Sanctuary cities?

Did Lamb run on any of that?
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The Republican candidate was more Trump and Trump and he lost. What you're trying to dance around is that the Republican lost and Trump lost.
 
katzgar said:
The Republican candidate was more Trump and Trump and he lost. What you're trying to dance around is that the Republican lost and Trump lost.
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You didn't answer any of my questions.

First, the election isn't officially called yet. Would I rather be in Lamb's shoes? You betcha. But, it isn't over yet.

Secondly, this election proves that conservative democrats are the only way your party can win in many parts of this country. The kind of democrats that your Bernie Sanders wing purged.

Now if you can't see that, then it is on you.
 
Teflon Don said:
What is the Trump code? Can you articulate it?

Is it run candidates that don't sound like you?

Would you have voted for Lamb given his pro life and pro gun stances?

Do you really believe that the American people want to put Democrats in control of the House so that Nancy Pelosi can impeach Trump? Do you really think that PA 18 was about impeaching President Trump? Do you really believe that it will go well for the democrat party if upon winning the House of Representatives their first order of business is impeachment?
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Your questions...

Cracking the Trump Code requires the candidate not play his game of playing on resentment and anger, but pushing specific plans and an optimistic future. Dont take the bait he lays out.

It is to run candidates who sound like the district they will be representing, but not the resentful anger based side of it.

If Lamb were the candidate, with a good chance of winning, who was more in tune with my agenda, I would vote for him.

I do not believe the American people want to put the Democrats in control of the house for the purpose of impeaching Trump, (some do) but when the Mueller report comes out, if it contains evidence of serious wrongdoing... impeachable offences, I think we will be happy we have Democrats in the House.

I do not think Pennsylvania 18 was about impeaching Trump, but a bit about putting a limit on him.

I do not think the first order of business should be impeachment. I think they should wait and see what the Mueller report says. I think if we get a Democratic Majority we will get a good fix for Obamacare.
 
Teflon Don said:
You didn't answer any of my questions.

First, the election isn't officially called yet. Would I rather be in Lamb's shoes? You betcha. But, it isn't over yet.

Secondly, this election proves that conservative democrats are the only way your party can win in many parts of this country. The kind of democrats that your Bernie Sanders wing purged.

Now if you can't see that, then it is on you.
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Please. This is a red district. It's not big "news" that it takes a conservative Democrat to win a red district. Just like it takes a more left-leaning Republican (what I believe you'd call a RINO) to win a more blue district.

You're trying to make it sound like conservatism is winning nationally. It isn't. But this election isn't really about that - it's about Trump, more than anything. People don't really like him. And despite a very good economy, that is likely to show up in the midterms as well.

It doesn't matter what you say on here. Today, national Democrats - people who breathe this stuff - are very excited. Republicans who understand politics are very worried. And that is all.
 
Teflon Don said:
Oh I get that it is about the democrat party taking control of committee chairs and decision making powers. That is your way of saying IMPEACHMENT FULL STEAM AHEAD.

Do you really think that if the democrat party takes control of the House, their first order of business is to follow Steyer and his impeachment wishes? I know that it would thrill people like you, GayRod and Thingy. Probably be the biggest orgasm of your pathetic lives. But, do you really think that is the best course of action for the democrat party?

I know you are going to bring up Clinton, Benghazi and whatever else to justify your answer.

But, be honest. Do you really think the results of last night were about impeaching Donald Trump? For fucks sake, Lamb said Pelosi has to go from leadership.
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Impeachment is only one of many positive aspects of a Democrat controlled House.

Try to keep in mind though, Mueller's investigation is not complete and his report has not been submitted and made public, so nobody knows what the politics surrounding possible impeachment are yet.

If Mueller's report says that there is no strong evidence that Trump broke any laws, there wouldn't be much popularity behind impeachment. If his report details strong evidence that Trump colluded and/or obstructed justice, there would likely be politcal cover to proceed.

Seems like a highly evolved political mind would already know that.
 
Thing1 said:
Please. This is a red district. It's not big "news" that it takes a conservative Democrat to win a red district. Just like it takes a more left-leaning Republican (what I believe you'd call a RINO) to win a more blue district.

You're trying to make it sound like conservatism is winning nationally. It isn't. But this election isn't really about that - it's about Trump, more than anything. People don't really like him. And despite a very good economy, that is likely to show up in the midterms as well.

It doesn't matter what you say on here. Today, national Democrats - people who breathe this stuff - are very excited. Republicans who understand politics are very worried. And that is all.
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The point is that the majority of voters, don't care who Trump endorses, in fact a Trump endorsement might be a negative because the voters want a check on Trump.
 
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I saw someone else ask if this was a backward thinking racist/sexist district (because Trump won it) did voters get sensitivity training over the past 17 months?
 
Thing1 said:
Please. This is a red district. It's not big "news" that it takes a conservative Democrat to win a red district. Just like it takes a more left-leaning Republican (what I believe you'd call a RINO) to win a more blue district.

You're trying to make it sound like conservatism is winning nationally. It isn't. But this election isn't really about that - it's about Trump, more than anything. People don't really like him. And despite a very good economy, that is likely to show up in the midterms as well.

It doesn't matter what you say on here. Today, national Democrats - people who breathe this stuff - are very excited. Republicans who understand politics are very worried. And that is all.
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Not only that, but it shows that a lot of people who voted for Trump in '16 are having buyer's remorse.

They understand now that they allowed themselves to be duped into helping elect the most unqualified and unfit for office clown in the history of this country and that the only way to rectify their mistake and hopefully reign him in, is by giving power back to his opposition.

They also realize that the Republicans will do nothing but bow before him and kiss his ring.

Among other things.

If that kind of buyer's remorse could exist in a small, highly pro-Trump district, imagine what can be out there nationally.
 
cawacko said:
I saw someone else ask if this was a backward thinking racist/sexist district (because Trump won it) did voters get sensitivity training over the past 17 months?
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No, but some different people were inspired to vote this time.
 
When given the choice to vote for Trump or someone the Republican party has not spent 25 years vilifying and Millions upon millions of dollars trying to destroy, the people voted differently.
 
Nomad said:
Not only that, but it shows that a lot of people who voted for Trump in '16 are having buyer's remorse.

They understand now that they allowed themselves to be duped into helping elect the most unqualified and unfit for office clown in the history of this country and that the only way to rectify their mistake and hopefully reign him in, is by giving power back to his opposition.

They also realize that the Republicans will do nothing but bow before him and kiss his ring.

Among other things.

If that kind of buyer's remorse could exist in a small, highly pro-Trump district, imagine what can be out there nationally.
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Hello and greetings, Nomad.

'Buyer's remorse:' Big time!

Many voted for Trump simply because they were fed up with our politics and crony capitalism. They wanted to 'shake the system up.' Much of this sentiment is out of simple lack of being informed. Now they are starting to 'get it.' Crony capitalism has gotten worse under Trump.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello and greetings, Nomad.

'Buyer's remorse:' Big time!

Many voted for Trump simply because they were fed up with our politics and crony capitalism. They wanted to 'shake the system up.' Much of this sentiment is out of simple lack of being informed. Now they are starting to 'get it.' Crony capitalism has gotten worse under Trump.
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You don't fix crony capitalism by voting for a disgusting crony capitalist. Bernie Sanders might have worked.
 
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