trump fired Flynn. Trying to get a political appointee fired is not a crime. We are seeing an attempt to criminalize political opposition.
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Piecing together the ‘phony’ case against Michael Flynn:
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trump fired Flynn. Trying to get a political appointee fired is not a crime. We are seeing an attempt to criminalize political opposition.
It's been the best part of three years Arsecheese ffs, you really do spout some serious bullshit.
It has been more like three decades. The conspiracy theorists have been promising they will find evidence against the Clintons for almost three decades. And yet, NOTHING...
But this time is different?
Mueller had gotten his bachelors degree and then his masters degree. He was old enough that he was not going to be drafted, and he had a bad enough knee injury he could not even volunteer. So he spent a year working on making the knee better, and finally enlisted. He could have enlisted in an easy job in the military, but he chose the US Marines. He volunteered for Army Ranger School, and Army jump school to raise his chances of going to Vietnam. Army Ranger School is tough, but he wanted to serve his country.
He served his country first as a platoon leader, and then as a company leader. As a platoon leader, his platoon was abandoned in an evacuation, and all were presumed dead. He led his men back under very high casualties. Later he was shot in the leg, and had to work for months to recover enough to rejoin the fight.
Meanwhile, one of trump's father's tenants got a rent discount for writing trump a doctor's note to get out of the draft.
I may not always agree with Mueller's politics, but he is no trump.
He served his country first as a platoon leader, and then as a company leader. As a platoon leader, his platoon was abandoned in an evacuation, and all were presumed dead. He led his men back under very high casualties. Later he was shot in the leg, and had to work for months to recover enough to rejoin the fight.
Meanwhile, one of trump's father's tenants got a rent discount for writing trump a doctor's note to get out of the draft.
I may not always agree with Mueller's politics, but he is no trump.
Mueller was washed up as a prosecutor. he couldn't rememebr anything when testifting. he was often befuddled.Mueller had gotten his bachelors degree and then his masters degree. He was old enough that he was not going to be drafted, and he had a bad enough knee injury he could not even volunteer. So he spent a year working on making the knee better, and finally enlisted. He could have enlisted in an easy job in the military, but he chose the US Marines. He volunteered for Army Ranger School, and Army jump school to raise his chances of going to Vietnam. Army Ranger School is tough, but he wanted to serve his country.
He served his country first as a platoon leader, and then as a company leader. As a platoon leader, his platoon was abandoned in an evacuation, and all were presumed dead. He led his men back under very high casualties. Later he was shot in the leg, and had to work for months to recover enough to rejoin the fight.
Meanwhile, one of trump's father's tenants got a rent discount for writing trump a doctor's note to get out of the draft.
I may not always agree with Mueller's politics, but he is no trump.
Word has it he was a figurehead -Andrew Weissmann ran the day to day
Mueller was washed up as a prosecutor.
Mueller was far from a "washed up... prosecutor." At age 69, he retired as FBI director, and started working in the private sector. In the private sector, he began really raking in the money, but agreed to give that up to be special council.
The irony here for all the apologists is Michael Flynn admitted his crime and was man enough to accept its consequences. The right wing Trump snowflakes live in a pretend world of finger pointing and anti American values. That is kinda sad when justice is ruled by a president who has failed at everything and is failing now.
'The President Is Trapped - Trump is utterly unsuited to deal with this crisis, either intellectually or temperamentally.'
"For his entire adult life, and for his entire presidency, Donald Trump has created his own alternate reality, complete with his own alternate set of facts. He has shown himself to be erratic, impulsive, narcissistic, vindictive, cruel, mendacious, and devoid of empathy. None of that is new."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...t-possible-outcome-coronavirus-crisis/607867/
"What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
'The President Is Trapped - Trump is utterly unsuited to deal with this crisis, either intellectually or temperamentally.'
"For his entire adult life, and for his entire presidency, Donald Trump has created his own alternate reality, complete with his own alternate set of facts. He has shown himself to be erratic, impulsive, narcissistic, vindictive, cruel, mendacious, and devoid of empathy. None of that is new."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...t-possible-outcome-coronavirus-crisis/607867/
"What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny
Darth Omar
Russian asset
last word is Durham is gonna be done late summer. Biden gets tied into this as Obama's role becomes clearer.
(I'm holding off making anymore claims then face value until we see more )
Biden is already tied to it.
He was present in the meeting when Obama was talking about Flynn’s perfectly legal conversation with Kysliak. This is what we’re dealing with, with these Politburo wannabes.
All conversations will be listened in on. Be careful what you say because whatever you say can and will be used against you.
Obama is damaged goods. #Obamagate is one of the hottest trends on Twitter. Non-political geeks are being enlightened about stuff me, you and some others, have been harping about for years.
And by no means is it over yet.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Mueller was far from a "washed up... prosecutor." At age 69, he retired as FBI director, and started working in the private sector. In the private sector, he began really raking in the money, but agreed to give that up to be special council.
Mullet was barely intelligible in the hearing last year lol.
Mullet was barely intelligible in the hearing last year lol.
I have no problem understanding Mueller, but I guess I am more educated than you.
I can even understand trump a lot of the time, "Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
We know the final picture will show a broad conspiracy by law enforcement and intelligence agencies under Barack Obama to undermine Donald Trump’s campaign and help Hillary Clinton win the 2016 election.
When that failed, many of those same people turned their efforts to sabotaging Trump’s presidency. Some are still at it.
That’s the big picture, and last week two more significant pieces of the puzzle fell into place.
The congressional testimonies were more shocking because they go to the heart of the Russia collusion narrative spun by Democrats and their media handmaidens. The witness took the oath in 2017, but what they said was hidden ever since.
Now we know why. Rep. Adam Schiff, the California Dem, didn’t want the public to realize that top members of the Obama administration had blown the collusion narrative to smithereens.
One after another, James Clapper, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates and others said some version of “I know of no evidence linking the Trump campaign to Russia.”
This was terrible news for Schiff, who released the documents only because the White House threatened to if he didn’t. Schiff, recall, relentlessly insisted he had seen lots of collusion evidence. Maybe he needs an eye test.
Clearly, there is no such evidence because there was no collusion. That means the three years spent on finding it was an enormous waste of time and money and created an unfair cloud over Trump, his campaign and his *administration.
But the Russia wild goose chase also involved the corruption of the probe by special counsel Robert Mueller and that’s where the Flynn piece fits into the puzzle.
Briefly Trump’s first national security adviser, Flynn was a pawn, a loyal American soldier initially targeted by James Comey’s FBI and his band of dirty cops in the effort to upend Trump’s presidency. If you don’t consider the possibility that this was an attempted coup, you will find it impossible to understand what happened early in 2017.
In formally dropping the Flynn prosecution, the Department of Justice released a trove of documents showing there was no crime. They prove the FBI knew Flynn had done nothing wrong in talking to the Russian ambassador after the election. They also show agents knew he didn’t lie to them in a meeting they tricked him into holding.
Yet still the odious Peter Strzok and others kept the case open and eventually forced Flynn to plead guilty to something he hadn’t done by threatening his son. Most of that happened under Mueller, who comes off looking like a dupe at best and a coup participant at worst.
Either way, Mueller leaves the public stage in disgrace, his final work exposed as a sham that railroaded an innocent man and covered up bigger crimes than it uncovered.
Mueller doesn’t exit alone. Comey and his crew already are unmasked as goons, but if there is any justice in Washington, they will face prosecution.
The Flynn documents also show that Obama himself was actively engaged in the case and highlight again the suspect Oval Office meeting on Jan. 5, 2017. Comey, Rice, Clapper, Yates and Vice President Joe Biden all were there when a trap was set for Comey’s meeting with President-elect Trump the next day.
Instead of telling Trump about the investigation into his campaign, they agreed Comey would show Trump only the two pages from the infamous Steele dossier that made salacious allegations against Trump. After pulling the president aside to do that, Comey raced to his car and typed a memo about Trump’s reactions, proof the briefing was actually a setup.
The documents’ mention of Obama’s role probably helped spark his Friday attack on Trump. He knows the fawning and biased Washington media will play up his criticisms on the Flynn case and the pandemic response rather than deal with the evidence that he participated in spying on his successor.
While there are many key players in the effort to get the full picture of 2016 and early 2017, none is more important than Attorney General William Barr.
His fundamental view — that something didn’t smell right about the Russia probe — led to the collapse of the Flynn case. It also led to the inspector general report that found abuses of the FISA court when th
Where is the link? How dishonest.
He fucking lied to the FBI.
If it were Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton...you assholes would be calling for them to be executed as traitors.
He fucking lied to the FBI...PERIOD.
So far EVERY prosecutor I've heard discuss the case has indicated that nothing like this (dropping the case after a plea bargain confession) has ever happened before.
It shouldn't have happened this time.
If the AG had been Loretta Lynch or Eric Holder...you assholes would be demanding execution as traitors.
Get the hell off it.
It is bigger than lying to the FBI. It is what he lied about that matters. He was a foreign agent who was making big bucks off Turkey and Russia. He did not register as such since it was disqualifying for the job. He lied about talking to Kysliak. The reason that is particularly bad is Trump was hiring him as National Security Adviser. The court was lenient and let him plea to lying to the FBI. Flynn would not even live up to that deal. He was supposed to tell what he knew and he balked. Flynn committed illegal and arguably traitorous acts.
We have been hearing this same thing for decades now. "I heard a rumor that there was evidence..." And yet the evidence never finds its way into court.
So lets the pattern for decades now continues, and there is nothing this Summer. trump does not find Obama's secret birth certificate, or anything else. Will you finally drop your conspiracy theories? Or will you continue to say in a few months?
Correct. First it was 'Q' and the unsealed indictments. Nothing. Then it was the unredacted FISA warrants. Nothing. Then it was the IG report. Nothing. Then it was 2,569th investigation into Hillary's emails. Nothing. Now it's DURHAM!!! What will happen? You guessed it. Nothing.