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women like books about being raped by rich men.

Not just "rich men", Jerry.

Is a lot of women's popular fiction based on rape fantasies?




Yes, to a notable degree—particularly within the romance genre, which is overwhelmingly written and consumed by women and constitutes a huge share of popular fiction sales.


The data on fantasies​


Multiple studies find that erotic fantasies involving being overpowered, forced, or raped are common among women:


  • Surveys consistently put the prevalence in the 31–62% range. A 2009 Journal of Sex Research study of college women found 62% had experienced at least one such fantasy; earlier work clustered around 40%. For those who have them, median frequency is roughly a few times a year, with a smaller subset (around 9–17%) reporting them as frequent or preferred.
  • When the wording is softened to “overpowered by a man” (the version most common in fiction), rates are higher than when the blunt word “rape” is used. Many of these fantasies are experienced as erotic or mixed erotic/aversive rather than purely aversive.

These are fantasies. Research and clinical observations repeatedly emphasize they do not indicate a desire for real-life non-consensual sex; the controlled, idealized mental scenario (often with a highly desirable partner) is what is arousing.


How this shows up in women’s popular fiction​


Romance is the clearest example. It is a commercial powerhouse (hundreds of millions of dollars annually, predominantly female readership) and has long featured variants of the “forced seduction” or “rape-and-forgive” trope:


  • 1970s–1980s bodice-rippers: Books such as Kathleen Woodiwiss’s The Flame and the Flower (1972) and many subsequent titles by authors like Rosemary Rogers, Johanna Lindsey, and others routinely included graphic non-consensual or highly coercive sex between the hero and heroine. The heroine is often “ruined” by force, then falls in love; the market rewarded this formula heavily.
  • The pattern was so common that critics and readers labeled the books “bodice-rippers.” It declined in mainstream category romance by the 1990s as explicit consent norms strengthened, but it never vanished.
  • Contemporary dark romance and related niches: Explicit non-con, dub-con (dubious consent), captivity, and “forced proximity leading to sex” remain popular in self-published and indie dark romance, certain erotic lines, and some romantasy. Captivity or power-imbalance setups (kidnapping, arranged marriage under duress, etc.) appear in high-selling titles and series. Readers seeking these often look for them deliberately as fantasy material.


 
Not just "rich men", Jerry.

Is a lot of women's popular fiction based on rape fantasies?




Yes, to a notable degree—particularly within the romance genre, which is overwhelmingly written and consumed by women and constitutes a huge share of popular fiction sales.


The data on fantasies​


Multiple studies find that erotic fantasies involving being overpowered, forced, or raped are common among women:


  • Surveys consistently put the prevalence in the 31–62% range. A 2009 Journal of Sex Research study of college women found 62% had experienced at least one such fantasy; earlier work clustered around 40%. For those who have them, median frequency is roughly a few times a year, with a smaller subset (around 9–17%) reporting them as frequent or preferred.
  • When the wording is softened to “overpowered by a man” (the version most common in fiction), rates are higher than when the blunt word “rape” is used. Many of these fantasies are experienced as erotic or mixed erotic/aversive rather than purely aversive.

These are fantasies. Research and clinical observations repeatedly emphasize they do not indicate a desire for real-life non-consensual sex; the controlled, idealized mental scenario (often with a highly desirable partner) is what is arousing.


How this shows up in women’s popular fiction​


Romance is the clearest example. It is a commercial powerhouse (hundreds of millions of dollars annually, predominantly female readership) and has long featured variants of the “forced seduction” or “rape-and-forgive” trope:


  • 1970s–1980s bodice-rippers: Books such as Kathleen Woodiwiss’s The Flame and the Flower (1972) and many subsequent titles by authors like Rosemary Rogers, Johanna Lindsey, and others routinely included graphic non-consensual or highly coercive sex between the hero and heroine. The heroine is often “ruined” by force, then falls in love; the market rewarded this formula heavily.
  • The pattern was so common that critics and readers labeled the books “bodice-rippers.” It declined in mainstream category romance by the 1990s as explicit consent norms strengthened, but it never vanished.
  • Contemporary dark romance and related niches: Explicit non-con, dub-con (dubious consent), captivity, and “forced proximity leading to sex” remain popular in self-published and indie dark romance, certain erotic lines, and some romantasy. Captivity or power-imbalance setups (kidnapping, arranged marriage under duress, etc.) appear in high-selling titles and series. Readers seeking these often look for them deliberately as fantasy material.


right.

nobody ever really wants their fantasies.

always with the fuccking spin and copium.
 
Seems so, Jerry. Seems so.
quite,

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Worked without the prior limitations of the glass ceiling that women and minorities both faced were they were only allowed to do certain jobs and not allowed into management.
Because of DEMOCRATS.
How are you talking about this subject without knowing that has been the biggest impacting thing on both women and minorities for hundred of years up until very recent times?
Still happens, Kewpie. DEMOCRATS again.
 
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