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Dutch Uncle said:
Negative on both counts. Mueller proved there was Russian influence in the election but no collusion. Makes me wonder why so many Trumpers lied to the FBI about it. Was it because Trump was cuddling up to Putin and dissing US military and civilian intelligence agencies?

Are you going to admit you post conspiracy theories all the time here?
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ROFL.. so you conflate "Russian interference" ( basically FB trolls), and even there you fail to do any research as usual -instead posting pictures

The Russian collusion meme lasted 3 years, and was fake from the beginning -
oh but that's just fine because it was on Trump/ what a dick.

Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html
 
I think conservatives and liberals will always be sharply split on environmental problems.

Conservatives don't believe in changing behavior to solve something (see: masks). They think science, which they generally doubt, will come through with some solution eventually, so they can continue to live their lives the way they do.

Liberals are much more about trying to change policies and behaviors to solve the issue.

Neither is really right or wrong - certainly, science HAS come up w/ solutions at times. But it doesn't always, so it's relying on a lot of hope to expect it every time.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Negative on both counts. Mueller proved there was Russian influence in the election but no collusion. Makes me wonder why so many Trumpers lied to the FBI about it.
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Really?

What form did this influence take and what *quantifiable effect* [that science stuff] did it have on the election?
 
Darth Omar said:
You either have the answer or you don’t.

What quantifiable effect did ‘whatever Russian influence’ have on the election?
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You're the one dodging the report and denying the Russians interfered in the election.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You're the one dodging the report and denying the Russians interfered in the election.
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Voter Suppression: The special counsel found evidence of Russian-controlled social media accounts specifically targeting African-Americans and other minority communities. These accounts spread messages to discourage target communities from voting, including messages that contained false information about when, where, and how to vote.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/HR1 Mueller Document-TNR.pdf

This definitely had an influence on the election.
 
Phantasmal said:
Voter Suppression: The special counsel found evidence of Russian-controlled social media accounts specifically targeting African-Americans and other minority communities. These accounts spread messages to discourage target communities from voting, including messages that contained false information about when, where, and how to vote.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/HR1 Mueller Document-TNR.pdf

This definitely had an influence on the election.
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Thanks.

Spreading false information is a common intelligence strategy; confuse the enemy. During Operation Overlord (D-Day), the Allies used the intelligence services to plant false information about the actual landing areas of the Allied forces. The result was that the Germans fortified an area that didn't need it thus weakening their forces at Normandy. Through planting false information and by hacking, the Russians were able to mix false information with factual information stolen from the DNC. While there is no direct evidence that a single vote was changed, one reason Hillary lost was because so many of her supporters were disgusted about Hillary and the DNC's corruption so they stayed home.

FWIW, the best intelligence operations are the ones that no one knows about. The failures go public. This is one reason the CIA got such a bad rap after Vietnam; their failures were revealed but the successes often did not see the light of day.
 
And we know Trump was selling influence overseas before the election since he was caught doing it afterwards.

"If you helpme become potus…." anyone sane think that did not replay at least 1000 times with Trump international connections and that fact that he
is well...a fucking crook.
 
Mueller was crap -unsupported garbage that the Internet Research Agency was a Russian government operation.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html
Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).

Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election. As with the collusion and Russian hacking allegations, Democratic officials had a central and overlooked hand in generating the alarm about Russian social media activity.

John Brennan, then director of the CIA, played a seminal and overlooked role in all facets of what became Mueller’s investigation: the suspicions that triggered the initial collusion probe; the allegations of Russian interference; and the intelligence assessment that purported to validate the interference allegations that Brennan himself helped generate.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed, my little tóngzhì.
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"Disgree"is pointless unless you back it up.

Fun Fact:
the executive director of CrowdStrike TESTIFIED under the Schiff Show that they had no proof that Russia hacked the DNC.. start there, and the whole ball of string unravels...

Dem Cyber-Firm's Sworn Testimony It Had No Proof of Russian Hack of DNC
https://www.realclearinvestigations...d_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html

The disclosure that CrowdStrike found no evidence that alleged Russian hackers exfiltrated any data from the DNC server raises a critical question: On what basis, then, did it accuse them of stealing the emails? Further, on what basis did Obama administration officials make far more forceful claims about Russian hacking?
 
If you had any sense at all, you'd understand Putin would never coordinate with anyone in the USA or a POTUS campaign.
If it came to light it would be seen as an act of war - and Russia would suffer even further.
Beside elections hinge on so many factors, it would a be a futile effort at that
 
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