Sen. Kelly sues the Pentagon over attempts to punish him for his warnings about illegal orders

[RB 60]

When you read that plaque above, it is hilarious that you cannot understand what it is saying and think someone has to be able to name a law broken.

You read that plaque, put out for every new military recruit to read and that is reinforced in classes and as you read it you say to the instructor 'but... but... what law has been broken? Why are you teaching us this?'


And that is why you are amongst the most stupid, 'poorly educated' on this forum. You cannot make any sense of what the purpose of that plaque and the lesson is. You are lost and asking us to try and spoon feed so you can understand and i won't do more than i have.

You can keep pushing it is wrong and insubordinate and whatever else you want to call it to teach that and i will just keep at you.

RB truly does not understand.

he is trying but just cannot grasp it.

He honestly thinks that message 'needs a law to be broken' at the time of anyone reading or the class being taught, for those words to have meaning to him.

he is daft beyond help and does not understand what it is saying. And there is no helping him. It is truly beyond him.

I believe that plaque says "officers," not recruits. Or are recruits now officers?

 

[Jake Starkey]

Where is the plaque located, R B? At the US Military Academy. That's why it says "officers."

Recruits have the same obligation to refuse to obey unlawful orders.

 

[QP!]

I believe that plaque says "officers," not recruits. Or are recruits now officers?

OMG, OMG, FLOLOLOL.

I want everyone to see what RB is saying now.

So he is trapped by the West Point Plaque and its clear instruction to recruits that they must 'follow the law' and not follow 'illegal orders'.

RB reads that and thinks 'that only applies to "officers" and thus the rest of enlisted must 'follow illegal orders'.

He says this while ignoring what Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth said speaking about ALL enlisted people and not just Officers.

And in his next post RB will question why he is rightly mocked as the 'poorly educated'.

 

[QP!]

SO @RB 60

- do you now admit "officers" must not follow illegal orders and that plaque is both ok and proper to have at West Point and to teach?
- would you counter by saying "only officers must not follow illegal orders but all other enlisted must follow illegal orders?

 

[QP!]

Where is the plaque located, R B? At the US Military Academy. That's why it says "officers."

Recruits have the same obligation to refuse to obey unlawful orders.

i would bet real cash that RB does not understand what you just said.

He thinks 'officers have an obligation to not follow illegal orders'

BUT

All other enlisted 'must follow illegal orders since the plaque does not specifically speak to them'.

I would almost guarantee in his following replies you will see this continued confusion from him.

 

[RB 60]

Where is the plaque located, R B? At the US Military Academy. That's why it says "officers."

Recruits have the same obligation to refuse to obey unlawful orders.

What you're suggesting is that any military member can refuse to obey an order for any reason they can come up with (if they think an order is "illegal") to not follow an order? I don't think so...

Do you think the order to bomb Iran's nuclear sites was illegal? The officer who gave the order should have refused? Should the pilots who flew the mission have refused to fly?

OMG, OMG, FLOLOLOL.

I want everyone to see what RB is saying now.

So he is trapped by the West Point Plaque and its clear instruction to recruits that they must 'follow the law' and not follow 'illegal orders'.

RB reads that and thinks 'that only applies to "officers" and thus the rest of enlisted must 'follow illegal orders'.

He says this while ignoring what Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth said speaking about ALL enlisted people and not just Officers.

And in his next post RB will question why he is rightly mocked as the 'poorly educated'.

Why can't you quote me, Pee pee? No one is questioning following Constitutional law.
Since you failed to answer my question (since pilots ARE commissioned officers), could they refuse to bomb Iraq's nuclear sites?
Do you think any of those pilots refused? I'd say every one was ready and willing to fly.. But since you are "more educated" than me,
answer my question, did any refuse? Could they refuse? Could any member of our military who didn't attend West Point refuse to obey an order? they think is "illegal"?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Plaque at the U.S. Military Academy (West Point)​

Inside the U.S. Military Academy at West Point often referred to in commentary about military duty and the Constitution. According to multiple accounts (including plaques documented online and in commentary about military legal obligations):

@RB 60 seeing this plaque exists and is posted at West Point to remind each new member that if they are ever given an order that conflicts with the law they have an obligation to not follow it.

RB reads this and head spins and despite trying he cannot comprehend what it means.

Instead he thinks it is wrong to have this posted and to tell students this and just mumbles over and over 'but who is to decide if an order is illegal' as he pushes a narrative service members must follow those orders regardless of whether they think them legal or illegal.

This plaque explains why everyone who ever took the oath is a traitor if they now support replacing our Republic with a White Nationalist fascist state led by an orange-painted demagogue.

No mercy for traitors and their supporters.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

i would bet real cash that RB does not understand what you just said.

He thinks 'officers have an obligation to not follow illegal orders'

BUT

All other enlisted 'must follow illegal orders since the plaque does not specifically speak to them'.

I would almost guarantee in his following replies you will see this continued confusion from him.

Arbie never served, ostensibly due to a lack of desire to swear an oath to the Constitution and serve our nation.

 

[RB 60]

Arbie never served, ostensibly due to a lack of desire to swear an oath to the Constitution and serve our nation.

No, I did not, coward. I did compete with the best of them in the service rifle class. I have no reservations with defending our Constitution against anti American shitstains like you. But we all know you will hide like the pussy you are.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No, I did not, coward. I did compete with the best of them in the service rifle class. I have no reservations with defending our Constitution against anti American shitstains like you. But we all know you will hide like the pussy you are.

Why not, son? Couldn't handle the obligation? The physicality? The moral obligations? FWIW, shooting a rifle at a paper target is nice, but it becomes riskier when the paper targets are allowed to shoot back. Is that why you never served? Fear of being shot?

Thanks for falling back of your gang-think and slinging insults from the safety of your anonymous closet, Arbie. Your actions define you more than comments from me or anyone else.

 

[RB 60]

Why not, son? Couldn't handle the obligation? The physicality? The moral obligations? FWIW, shooting a rifle at a paper target is nice, but it becomes riskier when the paper targets are allowed to shoot back. Is that why you never served? Fear of being shot?

Thanks for falling back of your gang-think and slinging insults from the safety of your anonymous closet, Arbie. Your actions define you more than comments from me or anyone else.

Nope. And I'd bet my whole gun collection I was in better physical condition than you were at that age. Never a fear of being shot, unlike you.

You're comments define you, coward. You are a sad sickened pathetic pervert living in an assisted living convent.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Nope. And I'd bet my whole gun collection I was in better physical condition than you were at that age. Never a fear of being shot, unlike you.

You're comments define you, coward. You are a sad sickened pathetic pervert living in an assisted living convent.

A safe bet made from your anonymous closet, son.

You're free to your fantasies, Arbie. I'm content to let others read our posts and draw their own conclusions.

 

[QP!]

What you're suggesting is that any military member can refuse to obey an order for any reason they can come up with (if they think an order is "illegal") to not follow an order? I don't think so...

Do you think the order to bomb Iran's nuclear sites was illegal? The officer who gave the order should have refused? Should the pilots who flew the mission have refused to fly?


Why can't you quote me, Pee pee? No one is questioning following Constitutional law.
Since you failed to answer my question (since pilots ARE commissioned officers), could they refuse to bomb Iraq's nuclear sites?
Do you think any of those pilots refused? I'd say every one was ready and willing to fly.. But since you are "more educated" than me,
answer my question, did any refuse? Could they refuse? Could any member of our military who didn't attend West Point refuse to obey an order? they think is "illegal"?

No RB, not a single person has said "for any reason they can think of".

That is solely your stupidity and inability to read and then understand what you read.

IT IS NOT US SAYING ANYTHING... read the plaque, read what is in the teaching material, read what Pam Bondi and Hegseth said as it is THAT material and them saying it.

Do you think that plaque is wrong RB? Do you think West Pointe is wrong to teach that?

 

[RB 60]

A safe bet made from your anonymous closet, son.

You're free to your fantasies, Arbie. I'm content to let others read our posts and draw their own conclusions.

A safe bet, I am sure.

You have posted your many fantasies, coward including making shooting Trump supporters a national pastime.

 

[QP!]

This plaque explains why everyone who ever took the oath is a traitor if they now support replacing our Republic with a White Nationalist fascist state led by an orange-painted demagogue.

No mercy for traitors and their supporters.

It is amazing RB cannot understand what that plaque says and means.

He legit thinks that if he can find an example where military followed orders they thought correct then that invalidates what the plaque says.

We could not make up this level of RB demonstrated, 'Poorly Educated ' stupidity if we tried.

 

[RB 60]

No RB, not a single person has said "for any reason they can think of".

That is solely your stupidity and inability to read and then understand what you read.

IT IS NOT US SAYING ANYTHING... read the plaque, read what is in the teaching material, read what Pam Bondi and Hegseth said as it is THAT material and them saying it.

Do you think that plaque is wrong RB? Do you think West Pointe is wrong to teach that?

I said that because you say any service member can refuse an order they consider illegal.

Your stupidity is obvious. You claim ANY service member can refuse an order they deem illegal.

It is YOU saying it. I've read it. Provide this "reading material" you speak of.. I haven't read Bondi's or Hegseth's comments.

 

[QP!]

I said that because you say any service member can refuse an order they consider illegal.

Your stupidity is obvious. You claim ANY service member can refuse an order they deem illegal.

It is YOU saying it. I've read it. Provide this "reading material" you speak of.. I haven't read Bondi's or Hegseth's comments.

No.

I have said exactly what the plaque says RB.

Service members have an obligation to not follow illegal orders and to follow the law.

Do you acknowledge the plaque says that? That they teach that at West Pointe?

Do you think they are wrong?
Would you fail out any class due to an inability to understand what it means as you just keep repeating what you do above?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No RB, not a single person has said "for any reason they can think of".

That is solely your stupidity and inability to read and then understand what you read.

IT IS NOT US SAYING ANYTHING... read the plaque, read what is in the teaching material, read what Pam Bondi and Hegseth said as it is THAT material and them saying it.

Do you think that plaque is wrong RB? Do you think West Pointe is wrong to teach that?

Arbie is simply proving he never served. This is also why I hold those who did take the oath and served our nation to be traitors if they flip to support a white nationalist authoritarian federal government. Those who never took the oath and support the same are simply domestic enemies of the Constitution.

 

[QP!]

What that plaque means RB, once again, is that if you do follow an illegal order, as many service people have done across numerous wars, that you can be criminally prosecuted and saying 'i was just following orders ' is not a viable defense you can use.

Are you able to understand the above RB? Can you get someone to help you with their big words?

Nothing you have ever replied with changes the above. In the end, if you follow an illegal order you can be criminally prosecuted.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is amazing RB cannot understand what that plaque says and means.

He legit thinks that if he can find an example where military followed orders they thought correct then that invalidates what the plaque says.

We could not make up this level of RB demonstrated, 'Poorly Educated ' stupidity if we tried.

Like most MAGAts, he's not very bright nor well-educated.....just the way the Orange Jesus likes them. LOL

As Jake already stated, service members have both a moral and legal obligation to disobey unlawful orders. Officers have the additional obligation of not giving such orders.

You have a moral and legal obligation to disobey unlawful orders.