Shocking, another mass murder, they've become as American as apple pie

Still waiting on you to identify a single “inalienable” right, dumbfuck. Still a no show.

As I said, the Supreme Court spoke on this a long time ago (first quote is a twofer, no extra charge):

"Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,-'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;' and to 'secure,' not grant or create, these rights, governments are instituted." -- BUDD v. PEOPLE OF STATE OF NEW YORK, 143 U.S. 517 (1892)


The first ten amendments to the Constitution, adopted as they were soon after the adoption of the Constitution, are in the nature of a bill of rights, and were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many, that without some such declaration of rights the government would assume, and might be held to possess, the power to trespass upon those rights of persons and property which by the Declaration of Independence were affirmed to be unalienable rights. -- UNITED STATES v. TWIN CITY POWER CO., 350 U.S. 222 (1956)​

So, examine the Bill of Rights and you have your answer.

Note the Court doesn't say, The first ten amendments to the Constitution (except for #2) . . . .
 
You tell 'em! (facepalm)

If the ignorance weren't so sad it would be funny.

If the left is good for one thing it is compartmentalizing, separating, dividing and extinguishing rights, even ones you claim to support.

There were 10 original Amendments that passed muster. Compartmentalized, separated, divided? Why not just one then, pally boy? lol

Extinguish? Is reading comprehension a problem for you, too?
 
As I said, the Supreme Court spoke on this a long time ago (first quote is a twofer, no extra charge):

"Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,-'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;' and to 'secure,' not grant or create, these rights, governments are instituted." -- BUDD v. PEOPLE OF STATE OF NEW YORK, 143 U.S. 517 (1892)


The first ten amendments to the Constitution, adopted as they were soon after the adoption of the Constitution, are in the nature of a bill of rights, and were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many, that without some such declaration of rights the government would assume, and might be held to possess, the power to trespass upon those rights of persons and property which by the Declaration of Independence were affirmed to be unalienable rights. -- UNITED STATES v. TWIN CITY POWER CO., 350 U.S. 222 (1956)​

So, examine the Bill of Rights and you have your answer.

Note the Court doesn't say, The first ten amendments to the Constitution (except for #2) . . . .

The first was the dissenters' quote. They lost.

The second merely validates that the BofR is nothing more than I indicated. They "were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many...." Nothing "inherent" nor "pre-existing" about them.

Thanks for playing.
 
this is you deflecting again, because I didn't say a damned word about LGBTQ issues

and this is what we call desperation.

Man, you are really an illiterate dumbfuck, aren't you? In my post that you replied to, I WAS referring to BOTH abortion and LGBTQ issues. And the DIFFERENT constitutional issues that dealt with each. You're just too fucking stupid to keep up.

Why do you keep dodging the courthouse issue, pussy?

By golly, I think you have been:

INFRINGED!
 
Oh, OK. 200+ posts in you might want to use the quote function LOL.

I do have some ideas though . . . I Believe that if these points became reality, criminal gun homicide would fall 50% in two years . . .



1) Decriminalize the recreational use of drugs and redirect the LE resources to enforcing with vigor laws covering illegal carry and the violent misuse of firearms.

2) Do not allow weapons offenses to be used as bargaining chips to be thrown out for guilty pleas for other charges.

3) Do not allow the reducing of felony gun charges to misdemeanors.

4) Mandate full time sentenced to be served for any violent misuse of a firearm.

5) Enhanced sentences for repeat offenders / felon in possession with reduced appeal opportunities.

6) Mandate states maintain the most up-to-date database of prohibited persons possible (including a red flag for mental issues - HIPPA be damned). and this be shared with the federal system and all other states.

7) Increase funding for parole/probation programs for enforcement of conditions of release and tightening of controls on those under conditional release and oversight of the boards responsible for early release.

8) Increase funding for states / cities for Failure to Appear warrants and fugitive recovery with a priority on violent offenders.

9) Enact a nationwide concealed weapon permit system for law-abiding citizens that no state or municipality can opt out of.​

So basically reverse the war on drugs, to war on guns.

Something tells me it won't work well.
 
And yet you are still reading my posts and replying to me. Is there anything you leftists don't lie about?



And you are on JPP? If you are interested in complete elimination of personal attacks and rigid on topic posting I can give you some suggestions for boards where decorum is enforced, that make APP look like a free-for-all.

As I said earlier, I look in on 30+ boards a week hoping to find reasoned debate on gun control. When I read your post #120 I had some hope that some could be had here with you. My first post to you #218, was very respectful to you, trying to engage and lay out an enjoyable exchange of ideas. I cited the decisions that I drew my reasoning from for the statements I made. I made statements about SCOTUS precedent that you could have used to begin the respectful debate that you say you miss. And then nothing but insults from you.



That's funny, a guy who registered 11 months ago is calling someone who's been here for 8 years that they are a new name.

You are a fraud and a faker and your act is not fooling anyone.

The only way you make $300 is as a bottom in gay midget bestiality porn.


I stopped reading at "leftists"

Thanks for wasting your time.
 
Every single one of them who has responded to requests for a dialogue regarding some common sense regulations by sticking their fingers in their ears has blood on their hands.

It's disgusting how selfish some in this country are.

Their guns are more important than human lives.

When are you going to support enforcing the regulations already enacted as LAWS? Why the need for more regulations not to enforce? :) All the big liberal cities have regulated the 2nd amendment to hell and back....and the result? They have become the murder capitals of the world.

Regulations that remain unenforced. 1. NICS (national criminal background check system). 2. How many illegal aliens have been arrested under this system less than 10% of those committing gun crimes. 3. only 19 states have provided at least 100 records of those with a mental hygene records. 4. The FBI reported that over 7100 individuals found to present fraudulent information to purchase a firearm....only 77 have been prosecuted. These are laws that are not enforced ..... the tip of the ice burg.

THE PEOPLE sure as hell do not need more laws not to enforce.
 
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Curious to see whether anyone can write a concise statement of what the hell is being debated. Is the question "are guns good?" Or is it "guns should be regulated " or "cannot constitutionally be regulated more stringently"?

Wtf no sense in debate without a clear assertion.
 
Curious to see whether anyone can write a concise statement of what the hell is being debated. Is the question "are guns good?" Or is it "guns should be regulated " or "cannot constitutionally be regulated more stringently"?

Wtf no sense in debate without a clear assertion.

Any right can be regulated....even the right to live, the right to be free, the right to vote...etc., That's what slavery is all about...today its called a penal system.

But....the only ones that can regulate rights are THE PEOPLE as in we the people, Big Brother can't unless there is representation from the people. A little common sense goes a long way. There is a vast difference between regulating a right and attempting to rescind a right void of the required 75% majority required.
 
Why do they kill and injure their fellow citizens in their own neighborhoods who suffer alongside of them?

Why don't they take the battle to their oppressors?

Because they're scared out of their minds of you racist thugs, and denied the education to see beyond your racism.
 
Care to provide an example of a child signing a contract for a car or a home??

Probably not, HUH!! :good4u:

I'm sure there are minors who have entered into such an arrangement. Do you you have a point aside from demonstrating how ignorant u are? You've been corrected. Fortunate for all you dumbass posers I have the lot of you blocked. It spares you a lot of that.
 
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There were 10 original Amendments that passed muster. Compartmentalized, separated, divided? Why not just one then, pally boy?

I was speaking in the context of the statement I had quoted:

I know EXACTLY what Roe v Wade was based upon. And it wasn’t the same as the LGBTQ issues are

You (like many on the left) force rights into little boxes that can be categorized and labeled. Sure, the particular activity under inspection in Roe and Lawrence v Texas isn't the same but the liberty interest is and it all is traced back to Griswold and to Harlan's dissent in Poe v Ullman.



"[The] specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance. See Poe v. Ullman, 367 U.S. 497, 516-522 (dissenting opinion). -- Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)



You are rejecting that doctrine that found the right to privacy in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights. You denounce the principle that a huge breadth of rights exist that are not listed. You deny the 9th Amendment . . .

And because you see nothing wrong with cutting the right to arms out, and defining it differently, you are denying that the rights recognized and secured in the Bill of Rights are just a small section in a "rational continuum"; an unbreakable chain of liberty made up of many links that all are important and vital.

Justice O'Connor, quoted the relevant part of Harlan's dissent in the opinion of the Court in Planned Parenthood v. Casey:


"Neither the Bill of Rights nor the specific practices of States at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment marks the outer limits of the substantive sphere of liberty which the Fourteenth Amendment protects. See U. S. Const., Amend. 9. As the second Justice Harlan recognized:

"[T]he full scope of the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause cannot be found in or limited by the precise terms of the specific guarantees elsewhere provided in the Constitution. This `liberty' is not a series of isolated points pricked out in terms of the taking of property; the freedom of speech, press, and religion; the right to keep and bear arms; the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and so on. It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints, . . . and which also recognizes, what a reasonable and sensitive judgment must, that certain interests require particularly careful scrutiny of the state needs asserted to justify their abridgment."​

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)

Some questions for you to answer:

How does your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment fit into the right to keep and bear arms being a link in the much larger "rational continuum" of individual liberty protected from federal (and state) injury?

Can (or should) a right that is found to exist in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights be more respected, more vital and more secure than a right that is actually enumerated in the Bill of Rights?


Extinguish? Is reading comprehension a problem for you, too?

LOL.

My point is that since you dissect the right to arms out of "the rational continuum of [individual] liberty" you are denying the validity of the doctrine by which the right to privacy was found. Your hostility for the the 2nd Amendment and gun rights in general, is actually calling into question the legitimacy of securing the right of privacy. If you are correct about the right to arms, then Griswold and Roe and PP v Casey and Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell v. Hodges must be wrong . . .

Anti-gunners have pulled the thread which will undo the penumbral rights theory, extinguishing the right to abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights.
 
I'm sure there are minors who have entered into such an arrangement. Do you you have a point aside from demonstrating how ignorant u are? You've been corrected. Fortunate for all you dumbass posers I have the lot of you blocked. It spares you a lot of that.

Just because you're "sure", doesn't mean that I've been corrected; because it proves nothing, except that you're ignorant and amusing. :D
 
The second merely validates that the BofR is nothing more than I indicated. They "were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many...." Nothing "inherent" nor "pre-existing" about them.

Except it says that the rights recognized and secured in the BoR are the same, "rights of persons and property which by the Declaration of Independence were affirmed to be unalienable rights". Those rights were possessed by the people before the Constitution was established, thus "pre-existing rights".

Let's move on, there are more.
Here's another example, from US v Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, (1875) explaining the right to assemble / 1st Amendment:



"The right of the people peaceably to assemble for lawful purposes existed long before the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. In fact, it is, and always has been, one of the attributes of citizenship under a free government. It 'derives its source,' to use the language of Chief Justice Marshall, in Gibbons v. Ogden, 9 Wheat. 211, 'from those laws whose authority is acknowledged by civilized man throughout the world.' It is found wherever civilization exists. It was not, therefore, a right granted to the people by the Constitution. The government of the United States when established found it in existence, . . .

The particular amendment now under consideration assumes the existence of the right of the people to assemble for lawful purposes, and protects it against encroachment by Congress. The right was not created by the amendment; neither was its continuance guaranteed, except as against congressional interference. "​


To recap regarding the right to assemble / 1st Amendment:


"The right of the people peaceably to assemble . . . existed long before the . . . Constitution . . . It was not, therefore, a right granted to the people by the Constitution. The government of the United States when established found it in existence. . . . The [1st Amendment] assumes the existence of the right of the people to assemble for lawful purposes. . . . The right was not created by the amendment; . . ."


Again, the right to assemble is a right that was possessed by the people before the Constitution was established, then recognized and secured in the Bill of Rights . . . That is a pre-existing right.

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