“Shut up, toe the line, or be destroyed.” (Gabbard)

[cawacko]

At least half of the dems appear to be of the perpetual war/nation building/hrc sort - probably due to TDS, but regardless of why, they appear to be. Who is so far this yr.? Even Booker and Kamel Soul Sista Harris don't seem to be. No doubt but her feud with hrc helps. Many dems don't like hrc, if not most.
Kasich was never a factor - practically the definition of bland. Tulsi is not boring. But you're right - she has no chance. She just doesn't fit the dem mold. I've compared her to Gary Johnson version 2012.

Right now Biden is by far the leader among black voters. Sanders has a small backing as does Warren although it sounds like Warren might be gaining a little traction. Everyone is fluid of course, this is just where we are today.

 

[Darth Omar]

Right now Biden is by far the leader among black voters. Sanders has a small backing as does Warren although it sounds like Warren might be gaining a little traction. Everyone is fluid of course, this is just where we are today.

Didn’t Biden back Clinton’s crime bill that led to mass incarceration of blacks?

 

[cawacko]

Didn’t Biden back Clinton’s crime bill that led to mass incarceration of blacks?

For those in the black community who don't support Biden there's a lot to go after in his record, including that particular vote. But as of today he's a known commodity and his ties to Obama are what have him in the lead. From what I read though his support is much stronger among older black voters than young ones. Sanders and Warren have higher support among young black voters than older ones.

 

[Darth Omar]

For those in the black community who don't support Biden there's a lot to go after in his record, including that particular vote. But as of today he's a known commodity and his ties to Obama are what have him in the lead. From what I read though his support is much stronger among older black voters than young ones. Sanders and Warren have higher support among young black voters than older ones.

As with young people [who don’t know their history] more generally.

The youngsters have heard the socialist siren song. That aside, I don’t see why blacks would turn out for Biden—policy wise. If they think just because he was Obama’s VP will do more than score them a cup of coffee, that’s unfortunate.

They would do well to look the minority jobs numbers under Trump and what ‘changing horses in midstream’ might do to that.

 

[CFM]

This is getting beautiful, now we got Trumpkin's still plagued three years later by their Hillary obsession attacking the very foreign policy that they fully endorsed and defended only a decade ago

Nobody cares about Hillary, well, other than Trumpkins, and it is funny watching those who argued the WMD line now disavowing such

If, as you claim, no one cares about Hillary, why do so many of you lefties keep claiming she won?

 

[cawacko]

As with young people [who don’t know their history] more generally.

The youngsters have heard the socialist siren song. That aside, I don’t see why blacks would turn out for Biden—policy wise. If they think just because he was Obama’s VP will do more than score them a cup of coffee, that’s unfortunate.

They would do well to look the minority jobs numbers under Trump and what ‘changing horses in midstream’ might do to that.

This is purely anecdotal from what I see. In my circle of black people I hang out with and from what I read on Facebook from black friends (and the discussions that are started which include black people I don't know) there's not a single Trump supporter among them. Not one.

Now it's possible some of these people could be closet Trump supporters or Republicans and for fear of being ostracized or called an Uncle Tom they don't say anything. But being a Democrat is a cultural thing to many black people. It goes far deeper than one economic policy. You and I have had this discussion. Republicans have cut taxes and deregulated for years and not won over black voters. Trump doing it isn't changing that. Jamele Hill called Trump a white supremacist a year or two ago and many black folks share that belief. Most black people don't trust Republicans and they especially don't trust Trump.

I look around the Bay Area and California and see what it's doing to black people and say there is a definite argument for Republican policies. But it doesn't happen.

So from purely an electoral perspective it comes down will black voters turn out in sufficient numbers for Democrats to win. They turned out in big numbers for Obama and he handily won two elections. They turned out in lessor numbers for Hillary and she lost. Will a Biden or Warren candidacy along with the anti-Trump sentiment create an Obama like turnout? We'll see.

 

[domer76]

This is getting beautiful, now we got Trumpkin's still plagued three years later by their Hillary obsession attacking the very foreign policy that they fully endorsed and defended only a decade ago

Nobody cares about Hillary, well, other than Trumpkins, and it is funny watching those who argued the WMD line now disavowing such

Nobody cares about Gabbard, either

 

[Stretch]

This is getting beautiful, now we got Trumpkin's still plagued three years later by their Hillary obsession attacking the very foreign policy that they fully endorsed and defended only a decade ago

Nobody cares about Hillary, well, other than Trumpkins, and it is funny watching those who argued the WMD line now disavowing such

Hillary is the one with the obsession being hell-bent that no one forgets about her. She needs to
shut up and go back in the woods.

 

[Gonzomin]

Admittedly I've haven't been paying that close of attention to Gabbard but what's her natural constituency within the Democratic Party? She has a socialist economic agenda and is anti-war. Seems like that should have a good fit. It's not going to win over the Joe Biden voters. You can't win the Democratic nominee without winning the black vote and I'm not sure how many black voters even know who she is. So she's competing in the Sanders/Warren space and to my knowledge neither of them are known as foreign policy hawks. Seems she has to a tough nut to crack here.

And throw in the fact there's a contingent of Trump supporters who really like her and I can't imagine that plays well with Democratic voters. (I'm thinking similar to Republican voters and Kaisich once Democrats started speaking highly of him in '16)

She has none. She is polling under 1 percent and can't raise money. She got a big boost from Hillary. Tulsi was about to pull out. Now people are paying attention to her.

 

[dukkha]

This is getting beautiful, now we got Trumpkin's still plagued three years later by their Hillary obsession attacking the very foreign policy that they fully endorsed and defended only a decade ago

Nobody cares about Hillary, well, other than Trumpkins, and it is funny watching those who argued the WMD line now disavowing such

NO WAY DUDE.. I DIVORCED myself from the Dems when Obama/Hillary/Rice/ Power went megalomaniac over Libya!
What's really funny? the Dems used to be called the Peace Party

 

[cawacko]

She has none. She is polling under 1 percent and can't raise money. She got a big boost from Hillary. Tulsi was about to pull out. Now people are paying attention to her.

On paper her more socialist economic positions along with being anti-war seems like it would have a natural constituency among certain progressive portions of the party. Now running for President is about much more than just which policy boxes you check so I’m not suggesting she should necessarily be polling higher than she is. But her policies have a natural home in progressive circles