Stop teaching morons that Christianity has a monopoly on virtue

I fail to see the logic. Explain why it is either God or cockroaches.
i didnt say "god" Im a Buddhist - there need not be a god, although Im not capable of excluding the idea.

'You are the crown of creation" - but it's meaningless- as your life has no more intrinsic value then a roach
You operate on a higher physical plane, but other then that you are the same
 
i didnt say "god" Im a Buddhist - there need not be a god, although Im not capable of excluding the idea.

'You are the crown of creation" - but it's meaningless- as your life has no more intrinsic value then a roach
You operate on a higher physical plane, but other then that you are the same

You might want to learn something about Buddhism.
 
look up monkey mind (Buddhist)

now look up meditation/contemplation - how to overcome it.
Consider the life squirming around your yard / Now consider if you have any more worth then that

Why are the worms less worthy than humans? That is a Christian prejudice.
Nothing you said sounds like any Buddhism I am familiar with.
 
so Ill put you down for the protoplasm that evolved from the primordial swamp. nothing more.
Your life has no more meaning then a slug - same primordial slime.
You eat sleep shit and fuck and die, that is all you are.

You are not a wondrous being breathed life and an ability to see a universal perspective.
There is no right and wrong -just legal and illegal

Put me down for whatever you want to put me down as. You don't know my beliefs, and I won't share them here.

The only thing I'll say about them is that they have a foundation beyond "I need to believe something, because not believing something is too scary."
 
Put me down for whatever you want to put me down as. You don't know my beliefs, and I won't share them here.

The only thing I'll say about them is that they have a foundation beyond "I need to believe something, because not believing something is too scary."

Do you really need a God, or whatever, to know why you shouldn't break into someone's home and steal their money?!
 
The catholic church has been involved in political intrigue for centuries. It has thrown out the religious principles and gave into kings.
Of course, the priesthood has been buggering children for centuries culminating in the scandals that still linger. I expect more from institutions that claim a connection to god and values. Church leadership like the evangelical leaders show is about money and power.
Organized religion is about money and power.
 
The catholic church has been involved in political intrigue for centuries. It has thrown out the religious principles and gave into kings.
Of course, the priesthood has been buggering children for centuries culminating in the scandals that still linger. I expect more from institutions that claim a connection to god and values. Church leadership like the evangelical leaders show is about money and power.
Organized religion is about money and power.

The pope is not sure if raping children is against the teachings of Jesus.
 
Hello Cypress,

You appear to be conflating' "religion" with "Christianity", and in particular the American Protestant fundamentalist strain of Christianity. Only in Protestantism is biblical literalism and biblical inerrancy held to be tenets of the faith.

There are five billion religious people in this world, at least. And only a small minority of the are Protestants.

What I am mostly disagreeing with you is the assertion that religion will disappear at some point in the coming decades, and that anyone professing to be Christian will be laughed at.

I agree with you. My apologies if I appeared to be conflating religion with Christianity. That was not my intent. I do see a lot of overlap because most of my experience with religion comes from Christians trying to push their religion on me. They do it both intentionally and out of habit. One very common instance of this is if I sneeze, I do not need to be blessed. I don't appreciate it. And I have struggled with how to respond to that. There doesn't seem to be a polite way to get my point across that a sneeze is a biological event and need not invoke an assumption of sharing religion.

There is no polite way to respond to that with: "keep your religion to yourself, thanks," "Ah go bless yourself," or "No thank you, I do not care to be blessed," or "Being blessed is meaningless to me, so you have just said something meaningless to me."

If an atheist tries to say anything at all to communicate the fact that they do not appreciate being blessed after sneezing, it comes off as rude. This is how presumptuous Christians can be. Like, if you don't share their religion there's something wrong with you.

I do not think there is any data to support that outcome.

Pentecostals and Baptists scare me. But I not blind to the data. Christianity, and particularly Protestantism, is growing rapidly in Asia and Africa.

Islam has been growing rapidly for decades and will continue to do do according to projections.

Hinduism and Buddhism are holding their own.


To me at least, the moral of the story is that I do not think religion is going to fade away, either in our lifetimes or the lifetimes of our grandkids.

Humans are probably always going to be attracted to formal, systematic approaches to a metaphysical moral vision perceived to be based on some higher truth.

Humans would not be so attracted to religion if they didn't have such a hard selling campaign going on. But since they do, it is a very logical assumption that religion will not be going away any time soon. One particularly irksome thing about religion is most of them command their subjects to have as many babies as possible. That's because most religious subjects are indoctrinated into the religion not by choice but by constant brainwashing during upbringing while they are most vulnerable to being told things that may not be true.

More babies in religious families ensures the religion will continue. The religion does not endure on merit alone, but by cult design.

Having too many babies is self-destructive for humanity. It may have begun back when there just weren't that many humans on the planet, and back then it was a good idea to have lots, but that time has passed. There are now too many humans on the planet, and religion has not changed to reflect that. The scriptures are never amended. That is a huge problem for religion. No wonder they say the meek shall inherit the Earth. Religions force it to happen by telling the poor to have too many babies.

The more modern the planet gets, the less relevant religion is; because it never changes.
 
Hello Cypress,



I agree with you. My apologies if I appeared to be conflating religion with Christianity. That was not my intent. I do see a lot of overlap because most of my experience with religion comes from Christians trying to push their religion on me. They do it both intentionally and out of habit. One very common instance of this is if I sneeze, I do not need to be blessed. I don't appreciate it. And I have struggled with how to respond to that. There doesn't seem to be a polite way to get my point across that a sneeze is a biological event and need not invoke an assumption of sharing religion.

There is no polite way to respond to that with: "keep your religion to yourself, thanks," "Ah go bless yourself," or "No thank you, I do not care to be blessed," or "Being blessed is meaningless to me, so you have just said something meaningless to me."

If an atheist tries to say anything at all to communicate the fact that they do not appreciate being blessed after sneezing, it comes off as rude. This is how presumptuous Christians can be. Like, if you don't share their religion there's something wrong with you.



Humans would not be so attracted to religion if they didn't have such a hard selling campaign going on. But since they do, it is a very logical assumption that religion will not be going away any time soon. One particularly irksome thing about religion is most of them command their subjects to have as many babies as possible. That's because most religious subjects are indoctrinated into the religion not by choice but by constant brainwashing during upbringing while they are most vulnerable to being told things that may not be true.

More babies in religious families ensures the religion will continue. The religion does not endure on merit alone, but by cult design.

Having too many babies is self-destructive for humanity. It may have begun back when there just weren't that many humans on the planet, and back then it was a good idea to have lots, but that time has passed. There are now too many humans on the planet, and religion has not changed to reflect that. The scriptures are never amended. That is a huge problem for religion. No wonder they say the meek shall inherit the Earth. Religions force it to happen by telling the poor to have too many babies.

The more modern the planet gets, the less relevant religion is; because it never changes.

Other than the extremely rare evangelical knocking on my door, I almost never experience Christians proselytizing me.

No one ever bugs me to go to church, even though there are practicing christians in my family.

I guess I just am not personally familiar with the fire-and-brimstone evangelical Protestantism other people experience.

I am just not having the same experiences as you, and therefore cannot agree that in-your-face prostilytizing is a huge issue nationally or universally.

I have run across some obnoxious bible thumper trolls on obscure message boards.


I agree that all genuine viewpoints on morality should be respected. And no one should be disparaged for being an atheist. I frequently post and write about comparative world religions and atheist intellectual thought, because it interests me.

I do not agree that religions never evolve.

Modern Rabbinic Judaism looks nothing like 1st century BCE Judaism.

Modern Christianity looks nothing like first century Christianity. Nobody can even agree on what the scriptures actually mean, and thus Christianity has evolved into traditions as disparate as Pentecostalism, Quakerism, and Unitarianism.

Buddhism has constantly evolved from the Theravada version, to the Mahayana, Zen, and Pure Land versions.

The third most important person in Christianity after Jesus and Paul (Saint Augustine) was very clear in writing that the metaphor and allegory in the Bible would always have to be reinterpreted on the basis of new knowledge about the world and the universe.

While Pentecostals scare me, on balance I do not see the practice of science being diametrically incompatible with the practice of Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism.
 
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Believe whatever is in your heart


Then live that as example as best you can


We will know them by their deeds

I cannot categorically disprove a strictly materialistic and reductionist view of the universe.

Maybe we are nothing more than a collection of quarks and leptons, and there is no deeper meaning in life.

I do not deny that is a possibility, but it strikes me as fairly cynical.

Physical matter and energy obey very distinct mathematical laws of nature.

Biological systems do not seem to boil down to a mathematical equation. Biology cannot be reduced to physics.

Biological systems and consciousness are complex emergent properties which seemingly do not follow a simple mathematical law in the way particle physics and gravity do. That is part of the mystery to me, and it suggests to me that life is more than just the sum of it's parts.
 
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