Swedish surge in Covid cases dashes hopes of herd immunity - the truth!!

[LV426]

Actually the fact that have a death / case ratio approaching UK despite the fact they are #25 in Europe

THEY ARE NOT #25 IN EUROPE, YOU FUCKING MORON.

Your own link has 22 countries that AREN'T EUROPEAN NATIONS.

Is Mexico in Europe? Is Iran? Is Columbia?

This is your link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

If you scroll down past the graph to the chart, you can sort by Case-Death. Doing so reveals that Sweden is 3rd in Europe for Case-Death rate.

When you first looked at this link, did you scroll down past the graph? Or did you just lazily post a link without reading it fully?

 

[Moosakofsky]

OK. I just checked Worldometers. The last time Sweden had a day with no deaths was Oct 18th.
Nov 17 - 11 deaths
Nov 16 - 5 deaths
Nov 15 - 7 deaths
Nov 14 - 3 deaths
Nov 13 - 8 deaths
Nov 12 - 5 deaths
Nov 11 - 15 deaths
Nov 10 - 19 deaths
Nov 9 - 25 deaths
Nov 8 - 10 deaths
Nov 7 - 14 deaths
Nov 6 - 16 deaths

38 out of 48 European countries in death rate. Better than most.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

[Concart]

38 out of 48 European countries in death rate. Better than most.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Sweden's comps are other Scandinavian countries. They are a disaster compared to those countries.

Sweden - 19,010 cases per million, 615 deaths per million
Norway - 5,471 cases per million, 55 deaths per million
Finland - 3,544 cases per million, 67 deaths per million

Sweden's response was a fail. It continues to be a fail. Sweden is about twice the population of the other two, and yet yesterday Sweden had 2,178 new cases, Norway had 548, and Finland had 104. There is no herd immunity in Sweden. That experiment did not work, and Sweden is still suffering the consequences.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

What kind of death rate are you using?

Deaths per million population puts them at 11 in Europe.
In total deaths they are 13 in Europe


Do you know how to read and sort the data?

 

[LV426]

38 out of 48 European countries in death rate. Better than most.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Again, you're looking at the data wrong.

The metric to look at specifically for the death rate isn't deaths per million/thousand population, it's deaths per infected. You're trying to articulate the death rate of COVID, and you can only do that by dividing the number of people who died of COVID by the number of people infected, not the number of people in the country.

So fucking lazy.

 

[Moosakofsky]

THEY ARE NOT #25 IN EUROPE, YOU FUCKING MORON.

Your own link has 22 countries that AREN'T EUROPEAN NATIONS.

Is Mexico in Europe? Is Iran? Is Columbia?

This is your link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

If you scroll down past the graph to the chart, you can sort by Case-Death. Doing so reveals that Sweden is 3rd in Europe for Case-Death rate.

When you first looked at this link, did you scroll down past the graph? Or did you just lazily post a link without reading it fully?

Death / case ratio is #25 in Europe. As of latest update.

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Gotta love this fool. ^ He keeps getting up off the mat for more pummeling.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Again, you're looking at the data wrong.

The metric to look at specifically for the death rate isn't deaths per million/thousand population, it's deaths per infected. You're trying to articulate the death rate of COVID, and you can only do that by dividing the number of people who died of COVID by the number of people infected, not the number of people in the country.

So fucking lazy.

Using deaths per positive test case rate as a comparison between countries isn't a valid comparison unless you know the countries have similar testing regimens.

If one country is testing every citizen and the other country is only testing those that go the hospital you will see drastic differences in death/positive test.

 

[Moosakofsky]

. What kind of death rate are you using?

Deaths per million population puts them at 11 in Europe.

Already mentioned that ..https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...rd-immunity-the-truth!!&p=4050195#post4050195.

In total deaths they are 13 in Europe.

. I know. They're 25th in cases rate. Already posted that at least twice. A link and a screenshot.

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Do you know how to read and sort the data?

In conclusion Sweden is really doing no better or worse overall, about average in europe. I think the point LV9635223xyz is trying to make is that Sweden, the UK and Italy have a crappy health care system to deal with it.

 

[LV426]

Using deaths per positive test case rate as a comparison between countries isn't a valid comparison unless you know the countries have similar testing regimens.

If one country is testing every citizen and the other country is only testing those that go the hospital you will see drastic differences in death/positive test.

Well, based on the data we do have, and I think testing is pretty consistent throughout Europe, the conclusion we have to come to is that Sweden is doing just as poorly as the UK and Italy.

For a time during this summer, Sweden was actually worse than UK and Italy.

 

[LV426]

Already mentioned that

Ahem...according to your link, Sweden is #3 in Europe for Case-Death and only a fraction of a percentage behind the UK and Italy.

Again, that's according to your link.

 

[Moosakofsky]

Sweden's comps are other Scandinavian countries. They are a disaster compared to those countries.

Sweden - 19,010 cases per million, 615 deaths per million
Norway - 5,471 cases per million, 55 deaths per million
Finland - 3,544 cases per million, 67 deaths per million

Sweden's response was a fail. It continues to be a fail. Sweden is about twice the population of the other two,

Normal for higher population density. All countries are failing.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

duplicate

 

[LV426]

In conclusion Sweden is really doing no better or worse overall, about avetage in europe. I think the point LV9635223xyz is trying to make is that Sweden, the UK and Italy have a crappy health care system to deal with it.

No.

According to your link, Sweden is #3 in Europe for case-death, trailing just the UK and Italy by 0.3%. So back at the beginning of this thread, when I said that Sweden was one of, if not the worst, for the true death rate, I was completely accurate because you confirmed it with the JH link.

And if those countries have bad health care systems, ours is far, far worse if you're using COVID as the metric and taking into account that 30 million people don't have health care coverage right now.

I'm old enough to remember you called this whole thing a hoax.

 

[LV426]

Normal for higher population density. All countries are failing.

Some countries are failing worse than others...like Sweden and us.

Other countries are doing just fine, like Vietnam and Taiwan. But those are smart countries who listened to their scientists instead of paste-eating lazy malcontents like you.

 

[Moosakofsky]

Ahem...according to your link, Sweden is #3 in Europe for Case-Death and only a fraction of a percentage behind the UK and Italy.

Again, that's according to your link.

I know but they have a much lower rate of cases per million (25th of 48). Already mentioned that.
You also already made your point that Sweden, UK, and Italy have shitty health care systems to deal with it (although I don't agree with you, there's other factors you don't take into consideration).

 

[Concart]

Normal for higher population density. All countries are failing.

A case rate that is six times higher is not due to population density. A death rate that is ten times higher is not due to population density. In fact, Stockholm has almost the exact population density as Copenhagen. Sorry, but that simplistic explanation isn't going to fly.

 

[LV426]

I know but they have a much lower rate of cases per million (25th of 48).

So if you're just going to dishonestly keep jumping between metrics, then I think this debate has reached its conclusion.

My original claim was that Sweden was one of, if not the worst, for case-deaths in Europe. And then that was confirmed when you posted the Johns Hopkins link that showed that Sweden is #3 in Europe for case-death, behind just the UK and Italy by a mere .3%.

So now, you're moving the goalposts because your attempt to spin what happened in Sweden failed. In that failure you actually helped make MY CASE that Sweden was one of the worst countries for COVID, continues to be one of the worst countries for COVID, and is now adopting most, if not all, of the same restrictions the rest of Europe put in place during the Spring and Summer:

Sweden, having refused to lock down, is now bringing in tougher COVID-19 restrictions as cases and deaths soar. 'This is the new norm,' the prime minister said.
November 17th, 2020
https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...ons-rules-deaths-cases-stefan-loftven-2020-11

And you know what else? All the lax restrictions have resulted in Sweden now getting record new case counts every day:

Sweden's tougher restrictions come as COVID-19 cases and deaths in the country surge. On Friday, the country reported its highest increase in cases during the pandemic.

 

[LV426]

You also already made your point that Sweden, UK, and Italy have shitty health care systems to deal with it\

That wasn't my point, that was you trying to hijack the thread by lying about what I said because you don't want to admit you fucked up.

What a fucking loser. Every day Conservatives find new ways to disappoint me.

 

[LV426]

A case rate that is six times higher is not due to population density. A death rate that is ten times higher is not due to population density. In fact, Stockholm has almost the exact population density as Copenhagen. Sorry, but that simplistic explanation isn't going to fly.

Anonymoose loves to lean on sophistry and bullshit in every single one of their rotten arguments.

Then they lie about what you said so they can try and hijack the thread to distract from their debate FAIL.

They're a fucking loser, have always been a loser, and will die a loser.

 

[Moosakofsky]

A case rate that is six times higher is not due to population density. A death rate that is ten times higher is not due to population density. In fact, Stockholm has almost the exact population density as Copenhagen. Sorry, but that simplistic explanation isn't going to fly.

This is really getting stupid. You can compare Sweden to three other countries or to Europe or to the Eastern Hemisphere or to the world and come up with all kinds of comparisons. You can then multiply that by deaths / cases, deaths/pop, cases/pop. The comparisons are almost endless (total deaths, total deaths/pop, new deaths, new cases, new cases / pop, etc. )and you come up with whatever you want.
Then you can come up with whatever conclusion you want, e.g., LV47563xyz seemingly concludes Sweden, UK and Italy have the crappiest health care systems in Europe. Then there's differences in how different countries report cases.
If you're honest with yourself you'd admit it's pretty random as to how this virus affects different countries, and Sweden overall is doing no better or worse than the rest of the world.