The Democrats witness dilemma

Trump asked that Hunter Biden be investigated *specifically*.

Not Elizabeth Warren or Bernie. And if ‘doesn’t matter’ if Trump was right in asking for it? I don’t follow that at all.

He definitely asked Zelensky to look into Joe Biden.

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."
 
If they voted on the articles as they stand, Trump walks.

Witnesses are a gambit for Democrats. You can admit or not.

Let me interrupt your confidence with my expertise. Witnesses are always a gamble, and the Bidens are not worth the bet for the GOP. But some of them will try it anyway.
 
It’s clear that Democrats need witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial since it’s a slam dunk acquittal based on the articles Nancy solemnly/gleefully sent over to the Senate.

Which begs the question if they should have been sent to begin with—but Democrats wanted their Trump impeachment*, so yeah.

At any rate, that means the defense gets to call Hunter Biden, and others, since Democrats insist on the trial being ‘fair’. Do Democrats risk playing ‘dog catches car’ by putting Hunter Biden under oath? What confidence do they have that Hunter is clean besides reassuring themselves, back and forth, that Hunter is clean? The fact is, Hunter Biden is a Black Box—no one knows what’s inside it until it’s opened. And we all know his past is ‘checkered’, to be diplomatic about it.

Or how about the WB? For months, Democrats and their media minions have been lying about the WB protection law which *doesn’t* guarantee anonymity. If Democrats want Bolton to appear—so will the WB. Then we’ll get to find out if there was anything resembling a set-up going on between the WB and Adam Schiff.

Shifty may be a House manager but he’s also *a material witness* to how this whole thing started. Do Democrats really want a known liar under oath in a Senate trial? This won’t be the basement of the House where Democrats can tightly control everything.

This can get ugly, quick. But I fully expect Democrats to keep the pedal to the metal.

 
He definitely asked Zelensky to look into Joe Biden.

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Joe bragged about it and it did sound horrible lol?
 
In a ‘fair’ trial the defense gets to call their own witnesses lol.

You want a fair trial, right? If Hunter turns out Ukraine-dirty, poof. It doesn’t matter what Bolton says, Trump was justified in withholding the aid—*assuming* he did. As president he was justified anyway, but you get the idea.
more then that.
Recall we have an anti-corruption treaty with Ukraine,and Trump was rightly concerned about Zelensky being more of the same. That's the motivation for Trump to "look into Biden" request - not vague political gain (impeachment).

The withholding, the asking about the Bidens are concurrent with Trump not wanting to give corrupt foreign aid.
Trump hates that.

Trump's problem is he knows what to say, and how to do his presidency -
but he blew up the Press Sec ability for message control.

Meaning that is the ONLY WAY to effectively get sound bytes on the air to counter the drone of 96% unfavorable
Trump coverage - daily push back in sound byte per-packed formula for viewer consumption
 
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In a ‘fair’ trial the defense gets to call their own witnesses lol.

You want a fair trial, right? If Hunter turns out Ukraine-dirty, poof. It doesn’t matter what Bolton says, Trump was justified in withholding the aid—*assuming* he did. As president he was justified anyway, but you get the idea.
The appearance of Biden's corrupt nepotism ( coupled with Joe's demanding the firing and bragging)
demands an investigation. Meaning Trump was correct to ask Zelensky to "look into" that
 
The appearance of Biden's corrupt nepotism demands an investigation -which means
Trump was correct to ask Zelensky to "look into" that

Nepotism wish a hefty dash of conflict of interest.

Biden claimed that no one told him it was a conflict of interest or something to the effect—he’s either stupid or lying. Biden was appointed to look after Ukraine and clean it up, by Obama. While at the same time, Hunter was being paid [for what, exactly?] by Burisma to sit on their board.

And it happens that Burisma was under investigation in and around the same time as the glaring conflict of interest, but the investigation was suspended for reasons that are less than crystal clear—and Burisma was never investigated again, while Hunter was sitting on their board for 50K/month.

I think ‘probable cause’ is the appropriate term.
 
Nepotism wish a hefty dash of conflict of interest.

Biden claimed that no one told him it was a conflict of interest or something to the effect—he’s either stupid or lying. Biden was appointed to look after Ukraine and clean it up, by Obama. While at the same time, Hunter was being paid [for what, exactly?] by Burisma to sit on their board.

And it happens that Burisma was under investigation in and around the same time as the glaring conflict of interest, but the investigation was suspended for reasons that are less than crystal clear—and Burisma was never investigated again, while Hunter was sitting on their board for 50K/month.

I think ‘probable cause’ is the appropriate term.
or 'reasonable suspicion' appearance of'conflict of interest' at least for an investigation. All good points.

Biden wants us to believe he and Hunter NEVER DISCUSSED their roles in Uk. That's even plausible if they were both of the mindset to >squeeze juice< Burisma thru Joe's clout. Whether they verbalized it or not makes no difference
 
or 'reasonable suspicion' appearance of'conflict of interest' at least for an investigation. All good points.

Biden wants us to believe he and Hunter NEVER DISCUSSED their roles in Uk. That's even plausible if they were both of the mindset to >squeeze juice< Burisma thru Joe's clout. Whether they verbalized it or not makes no difference

Substitute the word Biden with Trump and that cozy little arrangement would have been investigated by now lol.

Just imagine Trump allowing Junior to sit on the board of directors of Burisma in or around the time Burisma was under investigation. Imagine further, that Trump boasted about doing a QPQ on the Ukrainians during the same time frame.

Democrats would want both of their heads on a pike.

Democrats can’t/won’t admit it, but there is sufficient *probable cause* for an investigation into the Biden’s and Burisma/Ukraine and if the shoe was on the other foot—the investigation would have happened by now.
 
Substitute the word Biden with Trump and that cozy little arrangement would have been investigated by now lol.

Just imagine Trump allowing Junior to sit on the board of directors of Burisma in or around the time Burisma was under investigation. Imagine further, that Trump boasted about doing a QPQ on the Ukrainians during the same time frame.

Democrats would want both of their heads on a pike.

Democrats can’t/won’t admit it, but there is sufficient *probable cause* for an investigation into the Biden’s and Burisma/Ukraine and if the shoe was on the other foot—the investigation would have happened by now.
Dems took the initiative with impeachment -the 'nuclear option' / press is Pravda for their efforts.

But at some point I have to believe the electorate acts as a rational actor as well - and is not going to throw out Trump for a Dem clueless weasel POTUS
 
IF Trump was extorting Zelensky and if Hunter Biden is dirty, it’s a pox on both houses, and that adds up to acquittal.

AND it opens up a whole ‘nother can of worms on what was going on in Ukraine under Obama.

Senate Democrats are taking a risk if they vote for witnesses.

Biden is irrelevant to Trump’s abuse of power or obstruction.
 
Hunter Biden is not charged with anything nor is on trial. .

I would have to say that most of the witnesses who testify in courts all over the country are not charged with anything or on trial.......it does happen however that a witness says something on the stand that causes them to be charged with something or end up being on trial........
 
I would have to say that most of the witnesses who testify in courts all over the country are not charged with anything or on trial.......it does happen however that a witness says something on the stand that causes them to be charged with something or end up being on trial........

Biden is not a witness to any of Trump’s transgressions.
 
Under no conditions was trump justified in with holding aid.

really?.........aren't there several possible scenarios where withholding would be proper or even unavoidably necessary?......as far as the whistler is concerned, besides his name, all we know is that he didn't actually hear the conversation he whistled about and that his report was drafted in cooperation with Schiff's staff......
 
Parnov is singing like a canary. Know what he hasn't said anything about? Any corruption on the part of Biden.

so call him to testify in the House.......they are the ones who were charged with investigating grounds for impeachment.........maybe they won't fuck it up this time.........though probably they will.....
 
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