The Democrats witness dilemma

[ThatOwlWoman]

You’re guessing/hoping the Biden’s aren’t dirty lol.

At worst, Trump is guilty of a lame attempt at pressuring Zelensky to announce an investigation into a matter that is *worthy of an investigation*. The investigation never happened, the Ukrainians got their money and lethal weapons and etc.

Many reasonable people would say ‘no harm, no foul’ or call it a Silly Burger.

At worst, Hunter Biden was involved in a Ukrainian protection racket, which raises the question of whether Obama was aware of it.

Let’s dump all the worms on the table.

At least you are honest in your futile defense of a criminal IMPOTUS. Hopefully you will be exactly the same way in the future in the very unlikely event that a (D) POTUS also turns out to be a corrupt and criminal person. Could happen. We could have a poison monkey storm tomorrow too. lol

Let me offer you some comfort. If what you claim is true and the Bidens are as corrupt as your Mango Messiah, look at all the fun you'll have next year trying to impeach President Biden.

 

[Earl]

"It is impossible for trump to get an electoral landslide. Red states will not be voting for him. This is not 1984, and trump is not Reagan."

Um...say what?

Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton 227...a clear landslide victory.

Trump was not supposed to win in 2016...Clinton by 12 points...in a landslide.

If you are presumed innocent and found not guilty, in the eyes of the law...and more importantly, in the eyes of the American people, you are innocent.

I believe that "Walt" is a sock, he is really...

 

[Walt]

Is Stormy included in the Articles?

Luckily for trump, Democrats have no desire to bring up strippers.

But if Republicans want to bring up strippers, who do you think gets hurt worse? A possible Democratic nominee's son probably had sex with a stripper, but broke no laws. trump(the almost definite nominee) certainly had sex with a stripper, and broke campaign laws covering it up. Not to mention that trump has actually appeared in a porno as an extra, and his wife was photographed in a lesbian porno series.

The candidate Biden is not directly involved with his son's legal (but probably immoral) private activities. Or we could go with Warren who has had nothing to do with strippers.

 

[Earl]

Luckily for trump, Democrats have no desire to bring up strippers.

But if Republicans want to bring up strippers, who do you think gets hurt worse? A possible Democratic nominee's son probably had sex with a stripper, but broke no laws. trump(the almost definite nominee) certainly had sex with a stripper, and broke campaign laws covering it up. Not to mention that trump has actually appeared in a porno as an extra, and his wife was photographed in a lesbian porno series.

The candidate Biden is not directly involved with his son's legal (but probably immoral) private activities. Or we could go with Warren who has had nothing to do with strippers.

Yes, Warren is just a culture thief who lied to get ahead personally and politically... impeach Pocahontas!

 

[Walt]

"It is impossible for trump to get an electoral landslide. Red states will not be voting for him. This is not 1984, and trump is not Reagan."

Just as a correction, I meant BLUE States will never vote for trump. The last electoral college landslide was 1984 (36 years ago). Neither side can get an electoral landslide now. Maybe in a decade or two, but not in 2020. Predicting an electoral landslide just proves that you are a fanatic unwilling to deal with reality.

Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton 227...a clear landslide victory.

Obama received 365 Electoral Votes, does that mean he won by much more than a landslide? You are very emotionally invested in calling a skin of the teeth win a landslide, it is not a landslide under any realistic interpretation.

For the record, I do not consider Obama's much more impressive victory a landslide. There are no landslides in the current Presidential climate.

Trump was not supposed to win in 2016...Clinton by 12 points...in a landslide.

No, that is an unexpected win by the skin of his teeth. I would think you would be happy with that, and not make up lies about more.

If you are presumed innocent and found not guilty, in the eyes of the law...and more importantly, in the eyes of the American people, you are innocent.

I bet OJ Simpson wishes you were correct.

I believe that "Walt" is a sock, he ids really...

Got some free time in January, and Yahoo had shutdown its groups, so I decided to come here. I am really new to this group, but not new to politics.

 

[Earl]

Just as a correction, I meant BLUE States will never vote for trump. The last electoral college landslide was 1984 (36 years ago). Neither side can get an electoral landslide now. Maybe in a decade or two, but not in 2020. Predicting an electoral landslide just proves that you are a fanatic unwilling to deal with reality.



Obama received 365 Electoral Votes, does that mean he won by much more than a landslide? You are very emotionally invested in calling a skin of the teeth win a landslide, it is not a landslide under any realistic interpretation.

For the record, I do not consider Obama's much more impressive victory a landslide. There are no landslides in the current Presidential climate.



No, that is an unexpected win by the skin of his teeth. I would think you would be happy with that, and not make up lies about more.



I bet OJ Simpson wishes you were correct.



Got some free time in January, and Yahoo had shutdown its groups, so I decided to come here. I am really new to this group, but not new to politics.

Is that you, PoliTalker?

Exact same syntax and sentence structure.

Also interminably long rambling posts with very little veracity.

 

[Walt]

Is that you, PoliTalker?

No, it really is me, Walt. I do use my nickname as my last name, a hold over from Yahoo. Anyone who watched MASH (movie or TV show) knows why it is my last name. I have no intention of telling you my last name.

You did not answer the question. If 304 is a landslide for trump, wouldn't 365 be far more than a landslide for Obama?

We all know what will generally happen, even though Earl is afraid to admit it. Red States will vote for trump, Blue States will vote against trump, and a few battleground states will decide the contest. Neither side will get a landslide, just like neither side has gotten a landslide in the last 36 years.

 

[jimmymccready]

Bigdog does not understand that Trump is mired in the swamp.

 

[FastLane]

There was when Obama was president, and there is now, no reason to Investigate the Bidens. You rightys are grabbing on some vague innuendos that are not based in fact. You believe it all because you want to. A small amount of honest appraisal would take you away from such crap.
This is all about Trump and the secret, underground band of crooks he used to try and pressure Zelensky to announce an investigation into Biden when it was a sham anyway. Why can't you guys see what really happened.? https://politicaltribune.org/ukrain...SOSJt1zvvJAL3WUiU9s3ajcPHX3n0PJu714-7qo0CAXEI

Why can't you see the Bidden's were peddling influence .

 

[Walt]

Why can't you see the Bidden's were peddling influence .

I think you are asking the wrong question here. Why would you care if Nordberg believes Biden was peddling influence. The question you want to ask is:
Why can't the courts or investigators see that Biden was peddling influence?

I afraid the answer is because there is no evidence that Biden was peddling influence. You want it to be true, but cannot find any evidence that it is.

 

[domer76]

"It is impossible for trump to get an electoral landslide. Red states will not be voting for him. This is not 1984, and trump is not Reagan."

Um...say what?

Trump received 304 electoral votes and Clinton 227...a clear landslide victory.

Trump was not supposed to win in 2016...Clinton by 12 points...in a landslide.

If you are presumed innocent and found not guilty, in the eyes of the law...and more importantly, in the eyes of the American people, you are innocent.

I believe that "Walt" is a sock, he is really...

Liar. Only 11 elections have been closer. And, the winner generally did not lose the popular vote.

Ignorant moron

 

[Earl]

No, it really is me, Walt. I do use my nickname as my last name, a hold over from Yahoo. Anyone who watched MASH (movie or TV show) knows why it is my last name. I have no intention of telling you my last name.

You did not answer the question. If 304 is a landslide for trump, wouldn't 365 be far more than a landslide for Obama?

We all know what will generally happen, even though Earl is afraid to admit it. Red States will vote for trump, Blue States will vote against trump, and a few battleground states will decide the contest. Neither side will get a landslide, just like neither side has gotten a landslide in the last 36 years.

Walt posted:

“The economics mens rights movement is crazy. There are actual men in power in this administration that think the economy should be tweaked to try to make women more subservient to men. The weird part is no one is talking about it.”

I asked for a link to prove your scurrilous lie.

Where is it Walter...er...PoliTalker?

 

[christiefan915]

Zelensky did not become President until May 25, 2019.

Go sleep it off, clearly you're having trouble following the thread.

trump allowed foreign aid to the previous corrupt Ukraine president. trump did not call for the Bidens to be investigated until Joe started his campaign. trump is using Ukraine corruption as a cover for his scheme to bring down a political rival.

Don't doubt me.

 

[domer76]

even people who didn't go to law school should be smart enough to realize I'm right.........you I expect nothing from.......if evidence is inadmissible in court it is inadmissible for a reason........and if it is inadmissible for a reason it shouldn't be considered to be evidence of anything except perhaps the stupidity of those who credit it.......

If evidence is inadmissible in court, it DOES NOT mean it didn’t exist, idiot. Just as ‘not guilty’ does NOT MEAN innocent.

How the fuck you ever got through law school, even a forth tier one, is beyond me.

 

[Earl]

Well, Walter, AKA PoliTalker, have you taken your brats to school yet...on this Saturday?

 

[christiefan915]

The President can’t order congress to do anything but he’s certainly over the DOJ lol.

Why did Obama allow such a blatant conflict of interest to exist with Biden’s/Burisma in Ukraine? I don’t fault Obama for not investigating it but he’s certainly at fault for allowing it to go on.

And since he did allow it to go on, there’s no fault whatsoever in Trump asking Zelensky to investigate it—particularly, after Joe’s QPQ boasting that was captured on video.

The fault is that the Burisma business was known by since 2014 and if Obama didn't care, Congress should have. Repubs controlled Congress the last two years of Obama's presidency and up to the 2018 mid terms. You can't absolve trump for sitting on this the entire time he's been president, or the republican Congress for their inaction from 2014-2018.

 

[christiefan915]

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Got some free time in January, and Yahoo had shutdown its groups, so I decided to come here. I am really new to this group, but not new to politics.

Hope you stick around. You present your arguments well, and that's a rarity around here.

 

[Darth Omar]

I think you are asking the wrong question here. Why would you care if Nordberg believes Biden was peddling influence. The question you want to ask is:
Why can't the courts or investigators see that Biden was peddling influence?

I afraid the answer is because there is no evidence that Biden was peddling influence. You want it to be true, but cannot find any evidence that it is.

We just watched the left ‘really wishing something was true’, [for over three years] with Trump and Putin lol.

Many of them still haven’t given up on it and probably never will.

 

[Earl]

Some of the far left Democrats have already indicated that if (when) this scam fails, they will start it all over again.

 

[Nordberg]

So rightys think a big job of the president is to investigate foreign corporations. Trump was really really serious about that. In Ukraine, Trump's people investigated one, just one, Burisma.
Trump does not care about corruption. He likes it as his push to allow corporations to bribe foreign countries shows. He wants bribery laws to be eliminated. It was how he did business.
Suddeny Trump cares about what foreign companies do. But just one. It is a mere coincidence that Hunter worked for them.
Rightys are such suckers. It works because your default position is to believe absolutely everything Trump says and does, even though he lies and an unpresidented rate. (yeah I spelled it that way deliberately). We used to judge our presidents far more stringently.