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RB 60 said:
Jet fuel is kerosene.
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Yes.

RB 60 said:
A jet engine will run on diesel fuel, a diesel engine can run on kerosene (jet fuel), although it should have a lubricant added (motor oil is generally used because kerosene has little lubricating qualities).
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Actually, jet fuel can basically work in a diesel engine. You probably want to adjust the engine a bit, because it will run unusually hot, but it should work... In fact, it does work.

BUT, diesel fuel in a jet engine would be a disaster. First, it would freeze at a relatively low altitude, but it would not even get that far. For it to burn quick enough to explode, it needs to be under pressure. Diesel is as far as you can get from that. If you put diesel in a gasoline engine, it will clog the filter, the fuel injectors, and will not ignite from the spark plugs. It will do worse in a jet engine. I doubt you would even be able to start the jet engine.
 
I lived in Canada and the Arctic for a year. Harmon Field, Newfoundland, Goose Bay, Labrador, Frobisher Bay, Baffin Island, Resolution Island and Thule AFB, Greenland. I landed a twin engine Otter on a 1200 foot dirt strip, covered with snow most of the time, with a 1200 foot cliff at the stop end.


Winter diesel fuel (also known as winter diesel, alpine diesel, or winterised diesel) refers to diesel fuel enhanced to prevent it from gelling in cold weather.

Walter has no clue.
 
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Earl said:
I lived in Canada and the Arctic for a year. Harmon Field, Newfoundland, Goose Bay, Labrador, Frobisher Bay, Baffin Island, Resolution Island and Thule AFB, Greenland. I landed a twin engine Otter on a 1200 foot dirt strip, covered with snow most of the time, with a 1200 foot cliff at the stop end.

Walter has no clue.
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Lets go through those one by one:
1) Harmon Field, Newfoundland = 48°32′38″N 058°33′12″W, real Arctic Circle, 66°33′49.2″N... Basically London is closer to the Arctic Circle. So I can say I have been to London.
2) Goose Bay, Labrador = 53°18′7″N 60°25′0″W, again the real Arctic Circle is 66°33′49.2″N... Liverpool is closer to the Arctic Circle. Were the Beatles from the Arctic?
3) Frobisher Bay = 62°50′N 66°35′W, yet again, not in the above the real Arctic Circle, but at least he is getting close.
4) Baffin Island is north of the Arctic Circle, but given that he thought Stephenville was the Arctic... We have to wonder if he is being accurate about where he has been.
5) Resolution Island again, close, but no cigar. He keeps going to places closer to the coast, and therefore warmer. The types of places that a lot of additives to the diesel can make it still work. Think Wisconsin, not the inner valley of Antarctica.
6) Thule Air Base. That is north of the Arctic Circle, but certainly not the coldest place on Earth. I do know they need heaters for any diesel engine on the colder nights... Odd how Earl did not know that.
 
Primavera said:
JP8 can run in both jet and diesel engines. It is just kerosene with additives. In fact most airport vehicles already use it.
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JP-8 is a jet fuel, not a diesel fuel. You are correct about it being basically kerosene. Diesel would be a longer chain. Gasoline would be in-between.
 
Walt said:
Lets go through those one by one:
1) Harmon Field, Newfoundland = 48°32′38″N 058°33′12″W, real Arctic Circle, 66°33′49.2″N... Basically London is closer to the Arctic Circle. So I can say I have been to London.
2) Goose Bay, Labrador = 53°18′7″N 60°25′0″W, again the real Arctic Circle is 66°33′49.2″N... Liverpool is closer to the Arctic Circle. Were the Beatles from the Arctic?
3) Frobisher Bay = 62°50′N 66°35′W, yet again, not in the above the real Arctic Circle, but at least he is getting close.
4) Baffin Island is north of the Arctic Circle, but given that he thought Stephenville was the Arctic... We have to wonder if he is being accurate about where he has been.
5) Resolution Island again, close, but no cigar. He keeps going to places closer to the coast, and therefore warmer. The types of places that a lot of additives to the diesel can make it still work. Think Wisconsin, not the inner valley of Antarctica.
6) Thule Air Base. That is north of the Arctic Circle, but certainly not the coldest place on Earth. I do know they need heaters for any diesel engine on the colder nights... Odd how Earl did not know that.
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Walter, have someone read and explain this to you:


“I lived in Canada and the Arctic for a year.”

“And the Arctic” indicates that I did not live in the Arctic for a full year.

I lived in Canada a year and flew in some harsh conditions, Walter.

I did not say Thule is”the coldest place on earth.”

Your straw-men do not work on this forum, Walter,

Are you prepared for your old, behind the barn thrashing today, Walter?

Have you ever flown a plane in the Arctic or Canada, Walter?

Pre-flights are a bitch, Walter.
 
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Earl said:
Walter, have someone read and explain this to you:


“I lived in Canada and the Arctic for a year.”

“And the Arctic” indicates that I did not live in the Arctic for a full year.

I lived in Canada a year and flew in some harsh conditions, Walter.
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And yet you have never heard of diesel's gel point?

You flew? And yet you do not realize that it is colder at a cruising altitude in Miami than on the ground in Newfoundland?

Do you really think diesel fuel would be fine in a jet engine? Really?

Sorry, something is REALLY WRONG with your claims.
 
Walter:

“6) Thule Air Base. That is north of the Arctic Circle, but certainly not the coldest place on Earth. I do know they need heaters for any diesel engine on the colder nights... Odd how Earl did not know that.”

I saw the heaters, in person, Walter.

Why do you always lie and use straw-men, Walter?

You always get caught.
 
Earl said:
Have you ever flown a plane in the Arctic or Canada, Walter?
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And so you put diesel fuel in a jet engine? I am not a pilot, but I do know enough about chemistry to know that is not a real story. If you did that, you would not even be able to start the engine.
 
Walt said:
And yet you have never heard of diesel's gel point?

You flew? And yet you do not realize that it is colder at a cruising altitude in Miami than on the ground in Newfoundland?

Do you really think diesel fuel would be fine in a jet engine? Really?

Sorry, something is REALLY WRONG with your claims.
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Any pilot knows about gel point, Walter.

You obviously are not a pilot, Walter.

I have already posted this, Walter, “ Winter diesel fuel (also known as winter diesel, alpine diesel, or winterised diesel) refers to diesel fuel enhanced to prevent it from gelling in cold weather.”

Please try to keep up.
 
Walt said:
And so you put diesel fuel in a jet engine? I am not a pilot, but I do know enough about chemistry to know that is not a real story. If you did that, you would not even be able to start the engine.
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No, Walter, not in a jet engine, a twin engine Otter is not a jet engine.

Poor Walter.
 
Earl said:
I have already posted this, Walter, “ Winter diesel fuel (also known as winter diesel, alpine diesel, or winterised diesel) refers to diesel fuel enhanced to prevent it from gelling in cold weather.”
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You may have posted it, A WHILE AFTER I POSTED IT.

You can add additives, and lower the gel point. If it gets even colder, then you can use heater (usually electric) to keep the diesel warm enough to use. When it gets colder than that, you are stuck switching to jet fuel.
 
Walt said:
So you are confirming my statement? This was just a lengthy way to say I was right. Now you are claiming to have actually seen the heaters I said existed.
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No, Walter, I am confirming that you know nothing about flying in extremely cold conditions.
 
Earl said:
So am I, Walter, a EE.
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I have a Masters Degree in Computer Engineering, which is a subset of Electrical Engineering. And I went on for a year or so of a PHD.

Sorry to hear that you dropped out of it all to become a pilot.
 
Walt said:
You may have posted it, A WHILE AFTER I POSTED IT.

You can add additives, and lower the gel point. If it gets even colder, then you can use heater (usually electric) to keep the diesel warm enough to use. When it gets colder than that, you are stuck switching to jet fuel.
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Walter, do you think anyone who has flown above the Arctic Circke does not know about “Winter Diesel Fuel, Walter...really?
 
Earl said:
No, Walter, I am confirming that you know nothing about flying in extremely cold conditions.
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If you think you can fly a jet with diesel fuel, then you know nothing about flying in any conditions... Besides any flying at a reasonable altitude is extremely cold conditions. I would think a real pilot would know that.
 
Walt said:
I have a Masters Degree in Computer Engineering, which is a subset of Electrical Engineering. And I went on for a year or so of a PHD.

Sorry to hear that you dropped out of it all to become a pilot.
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Sorry to hear you failed and dropped out of the PhD program, Walter.

I can understand why.

Poor Walter.
 
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