The News as We Once Knew It Is Dead

Legion said:
Flash said:
Sorry, all reasonable, informed people know the pizzagate story was just wacko. They were supposedly in the basement of a building with no basement.

Do you mean Podeesta's emails with the "coded" messages?
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You don't get to make that determination for everyone else.
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Agreed. He can't make it for the whackos because they are insane. You, OTOH, are free to swallow the story right up to the root.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The only person claiming he did is you.
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I doubt that. Anyone with a rudimentary grasp of the English language can read his post, in which he clearly seems to be speaking on behalf of "all reasonable, informed people", who apparently are the people he chooses to apply those attributes to.

Flash said:
Sorry, all reasonable, informed people know the pizzagate story was just wacko.
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On a purely semantic level that statement is ridiculous.

He's entitled to his personal opinion, and I respect it. He doesn't get to speak for a class of unnamed individuals (defined by their agreement with his opinion, apparently) in a self-aggrandizing manner in order to congratulate himself.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed and your own link proves you wrong since it never says what you claim.

Here, try this lesson and see why you are wrong: https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-content/wi-phi/wiphi-critical-thinking
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I don't recall stating that the link I provided "proved" anything. I made the resource available for those who may be interested in the subject of polling/public opinion surveys.

Thanks for the link. I'll look at it sometime.

IMO there cannot ne a "scientific" poll because it would be impossible to apply the scientific method to something so subjective as an opinion survey.
 
Legion said:
I doubt that. Anyone with a rudimentary grasp of the English language can read his post, in which he clearly seems to be speaking on behalf of "all reasonable, informed people", who apparently are the people he chooses to apply those attributes to.



On a purely semantic level that statement is ridiculous.

He's entitled to his personal opinion, and I respect it. He doesn't get to speak for a class of unnamed individuals (defined by their agreement with his opinion, apparently) in a self-aggrandizing manner in order to congratulate himself.
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Soooooo if someone says "Sorry, all reasonable, informed people know 2 + 2 = 4" are you going to have another conniption saying they don't speak for everyone? WTF are you on, son?

Flash said:
Sorry, all reasonable, informed people know the pizzagate story was just wacko. They were supposedly in the basement of a building with no basement.

Do you mean Podeesta's emails with the "coded" messages?
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Legion said:
I don't recall stating that the link I provided "proved" anything. I made the resource available for those who may be interested in the subject of polling/public opinion surveys.

Thanks for the link. I'll look at it sometime.

IMO there cannot ne a "scientific" poll because it would be impossible to apply the scientific method to something so subjective as an opinion survey.
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Translation: I was shitting out smoke hoping people were as stupid as I am and didn't read it.

I know, son. Most people have you figured out. Do you ever wonder why not even the RWNJs tolerate you very much?
 
archives said:
"dukkha," you got to give it up, how could Mueller be "deep state" when he was appointed and overseen by a Trump appointee to a Trump Justice Dept., one I might add was right there standing behind billy barr nodding in agreement when billy barr framed the report before anyone else had a chance to even see it?
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Comey is a Repubican. WTF difference does that make?
Mueller didn't run the investigation anyhow.

Do you recall how clueless he was in testimony? Andrew Weissmann was the hit man.
Your constant over-reliance on party labels falls flat -especially regarding IC leadership positions.

The animus towards Trump is institutional.
Trump wanted to improve US/Russian relations and the Creeps couldn't stand that .
That and the fact Hillary bankrolled Steele

And as has been explained to you umpteen times, criminal collusion is near impossible to prove, you got to get the majority of people in a meeting or such to confirm that it occurred, you really didn't think that meeting at Trump Tower was over adoptions did you? What Mueller, and the recent GOP Senate Committee found was that the Russians were all over the Trump campaign, seemingly doing everything but parking cars
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there is no such thing as "criminal collusion" it's shorthand for for conspiracy.
Conspriracy would be readily provable given the extent of spying on the Trump campaign and Trump himself

you constantly use this "the Russians were all over the Trump campaign" as if it were some proof/indicator of Russian conspiracy.
That is a poor way to make any judgments -circumstantial without any underlying support that Trump and the campaign had any nefarious "collusion" with da Russians
 
dukkha said:
Comey is a Repubican. WTF difference does that make?
Mueller didn't run the investigation anyhow.

Do you recall how clueless he was in testimony? Andrew Weissmann was the hit man.
Your constant over-reliance on party labels falls flat -especially regarding IC leadership positions.

The animus towards Trump is institutional.
Trump wanted to improve US/Russian relations and the Creeps couldn't stand that .
That and the fact Hillary bankrolled Steele

there is no such thing as "criminal collusion" it's shorthand for for conspiracy.
Conspriracy would be readily provable given the extent of spying on the Trump campaign and Trump himself

you constantly use this "the Russians were all over the Trump campaign" as if it were some proof/indicator of Russian conspiracy.
That is a poor way to make any judgments -circumstantial without any underlying support that Trump and the campaign had any nefarious "collusion" with da Russians
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Bingo.

Mullet was the ‘Republican’ figurehead. Weismann and his band of angry democrat lawyers ran the investigation. And that became brutally apparent when Mullet appeared before congress.
 
Darth Omar said:
Bingo.

Mullet was the ‘Republican’ figurehead. Weismann and his band of angry democrat lawyers ran the investigation. And that became brutally apparent when Mullet appeared before congress.
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yes. and in typical Weissmann fashion he couldn't prove conspiracy or obstruction. But that didn't stop him.

If he was an honest broker,he would have left it there -
instead he punted to Congress hoping Congress would do his dirty work for him
 
dukkha said:
yes. and in typical Weissmann fashion he couldn't prove conspiracy or obstruction. But that didn't stop him.

If he was an honest broker,he would have left it there -
instead he punted to Congress hoping Congress would do his dirty work for him
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I don’t think they were ever serious about conspiracy.

I think it was an obstruction trap all the way. Set up a bogus investigation and hope that Trump ‘obstructs it’. It’s actually easy to see why they’d try it because Trump was even making me nervous some of the time.

But I think he saw what they were up to and went out of his way to provide documents, interviews and etc. So much so, that Mullet/Weismann had no grounds to to demand and interview with Trump, himself.

Weismann got outplayed and punts to Democrats in Congress. End of story. Weeks later it was on to Ukraine.

See my sig. They will never stop.
 
Sailor said:
Article worth a read. By a highly intelligent person. Wonder who will try and refute it on here. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/09/17/the_news_as_we_once_knew_it_is_dead_144223.html


The News as We Once Knew It Is Dead
By Victor Davis Hanson

n 2017, the liberal Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University found that 93 percent of CNN's coverage of the Trump administration was negative. The center found similarly negative Trump coverage at other major news outlets.
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GASP! News reporting Trump's negative behaviors and policies? Who knew?!?
 
AProudLefty said:
GASP! News reporting Trump's negative behaviors and policies? Who knew?!?
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With a bias obviously. I agree with the article. There is no reliable news source out there anymore. No more journalism. Just "reporting" rumors and innuendo that dumb folks are taking as fact.
 
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