APP - The problem is not Trump, it’s MAGA.

ModernDiogenes

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It’s truly time to stop pussyfooting around and get to brass tacks.

Trump is what Trump is. It’s been ten years of going round and round on that for decent people trying to get a handle on it to keep bad things from happening. The attention is in the wrong place. It’s not Trump, it’s MAGA.

There are always going to be Trumps. That small percentage of us that due to some mental defect; bad upbringing, or both has pathological empathy issues and a serious lack of ethics. The kid who who set the neighbor’s cat on fire sort of problem. It’s unfortunate but it’s what is.

The real issue is are there a sufficient number of us, you know - that mob they call “the electorate”, smart enough and ethical enough to DISCERN these folks when they seek power and NOT GIVE IT TO THEM.

Apparently, at this point in time, that is not the case. There aren’t, currently, enough of us capable of that kind of DISCERNMENT.

I am sorry but I’m saying it plain because it’s a serious problem and it needs being called what it is.

We either have a severe case of “not too bright” in the U.S. electorate or, worse, “not very ethical”. We have, in our aggregate, a DISCERNMENT PROBLEM.

This is what that is as well, and there will be a price to pay for it. I mean more, and potentially much more, than what we are seeing already.

Things like A.I. are on the horizon. Decisions need to be made. Truly serious, world changing, decisions. Look, for real, at what we have addressing the problem. Greedy oligarchs with no ethical capability telling us this thing of theirs can destroy us, not out of a sense of shame mind you or responsibility but trying to dodge accountability, [“Hey, we told you this could get ugly and you did nothing to rein us in, so not our fault.”], corrupt politicians and a pathological case as our chief executive. Who here thinks that’s a good idea?

And A.I. directly, isn’t the only problem. The markets are FUBAR and this tech is underpinning about 2/3rds of it.

MAGA put the problem child in charge of everything. There are always going to be problem people. MAGA is the problem that can’t DISCERN they aren’t the ones to give power to. That makes MAGA the problem.

We use to be a serious people. it was said around the world, “Oh that cant happen in America.”, about a lot of bad things because it was believed that, while it might take us some time to get there, eventually we were always going to do the right things. That isn’t thought about us any longer. DISCERNING people, here and abroad, are watching and we can distinguish the obvious, and the obvious is that MAGA IS A PROBLEM that might lead to catastrophic events because they aren’t what ever it us that is missing that prevents bad things from unfolding because THEY MAKE NON-DISCERNING CHOICES.

Not about policies; borders, immigration, politics in general, but the more important choice; THE NATURE OF WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE YOU GIVE POWER; ARE THEY SANE, ETHICAL PEOPLE OF GOOD CHARACTER.

MAGA couldn’t DISCERN a pathological malignant narcissist when they saw one; despite the cruel things he had done to family, his wives, business partners, those he contracted with, etc. A wide swarth of victims forced to sue (over 4000 times) to recover some of which Trump had defrauded them. A vast public record of bad acts and horrible ethics that was proof of horrendous character issues.

Until that’s fixed they are just going to vote the next Trump into office that comes along.

We need to find the way to reach these individuals and, politely, show them there is a better way, because if we don’t this hole we are digging… it gets deeper. A lot deeper.
 
So then this is an attempt to smear half the electorate and ignore the other half who are also cult members.
 
So then this is an attempt to smear half the electorate and ignore the other half who are also cult members.

Nope. It’s an attempt at getting folks to realize ttat surrendering fundamental truths, like in selecting leaders by integrity, ethics, character are PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONS that supersede policy statements. It doesn’t matter what they are promising if the person doing it is of horrendous character and totally unethical. That these are essentials of a healthy democracy. When we surrender those founding foundemental ideals we are surrendering democracy.

That is what I am selling. Not trying to smear anyone in the process, BUT acceptence of self-accountablity for being part of the cause of the problem IS ESSENTIAL. The first step in resolving any problem is acknowledging there is a problem, then figuring out how you add to it.
 
As exhibited within our own walls, some of MAGA exhibit the personality short comings of Trump.

When confronted with uncomfortable truths they become personally insulting and mean spirited. Rather than discuss possibilities, on a debate site no less, when presented other’s ideas of what we are all observing mean, and evidence in support of that, rather than present counterpoint they become mean spirited and personally insulting.

Very much like Trump himself.
 
As exhibited within our own walls, some of MAGA exhibit the personality short comings of Trump.

When confronted with uncomfortable truths they become personally insulting and mean spirited. Rather than discuss possibilities, on a debate site no less, when presented other’s ideas of what we are all observing mean, and evidence in support of that, rather than present counterpoint they become mean spirited and personally insulting.

Very much like Trump himself.
You realize there are sick bastards on the left, dont you? Theres Hume who has said to me multiple times that he/she/it hopes I am violently murdered. Then recently some wing nut friend of yours has said to me, repeatedly that they want me to be shot in the face. And then there evince or whatever its name is, who apparently thinks it okie dokie to spit on people he/she/it doesnt like.

Its not that they say and do those things that bother me its that they do them and then we have to listen to psychos like you preach about how terrible people on the right behave. All of that is just to say, Go fuck yourself
 
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