The Republican Party is Dying. Old, Racist, and Cannot Grow.

TTQ64 said:
To each his own. You can think they aren't racist, that's your prerogative.

I go by how they governed.

Yes I voted for Clinton, because there is no way on this earth would I ever vote for a republican. I won't intentionally support their racist behaviors.

As for Bush, I don't believe for 1 second he did anything to support Africans and aids.....please spare me the articles regarding the issue, I've seen them all.
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You remind of Poet, a gay black man from Texas. He claimed to be an activist and seriously believed that HIV was developed in a laboratory by evil white scientists to kill off blacks. You probably believe that crap as well.

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cawacko said:
It's in our papers every week if not a daily basis and that's the battle over housing in California and zoning laws and well to do largely white communities fighting to avoid new housing which would possibly bring in "people of lessor means". That's not someone dropping the n word but it has major repercussions on where people can live. And if you believe the research that says poor minorities are hurt by being put in low performing largely minority schools well here is a big part of where it starts.

This is major policy with major implications. And it's happening in liberal California. Let's be real here, London Breed is a progressive. The only reason she is deemed a "moderate" is because she's not 100% against new market rate development. (Which means she at least has a modicum of understanding of how markets work). There's a reason progressives don't win the Mayor's office in SF because even some Democrats in SF know the City can't pay for affordable housing for everyone and rents don't come down when you don't build new product.

So today's housing decisions are being on zoning codes with racist pasts in well to do liberal dominated cities. Subjects like this aren't sexy to talk about but they have very real effects on people's day to day lives.
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Wealthy liberals don't want blacks to come in as they know the property prices will tumble.

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evince said:
yeah he would be considered a lefty by the nut bag republican party that exists now
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lefty? you mean like prolonging the Vietnam war for his own political reasons?

going after marijuana as a Schedule 1? Nixon HATED "dope smoking hippies" because we were the ones
leading the anti-war movement ( along with Yippies -but they were much smaller).

He was a monster.
He caused many American dead, as well as destroyed the use of psychedelics for medical and recreational uses.

He ushered in the 1970 "me decade" which gave rise to Yuppie Scum,and the utter loss of social consciousness.
 
evince said:
2. Why was it passed and who supported it?
At the time, violent crime was seen as out of control in the US. Starting in 1987, the homicide rate in the US was increasing by 5% each year, peaking in 1991 with 9.8 deaths per every 100,000 people. Many of those victims were young African Americans. Robbery and assault rates had exploded beginning in the late 1960s, and the crack cocaine epidemic was devastating the nation's urban centres.
The bill had bipartisan support, and easily passed both the House and Senate. The Clintons have pointed out that both black politicians and community leaders backed the law, and in general supported increased law enforcement in order to help quell street violence destroying communities.
But a recent New York Times op-ed calls this a "selective hearing" of what African American leaders were asking for and points out that members of the Congressional Black Caucus asked for provisions in the bill that were left out.
"Policy makers pointed to black support for greater punishment and surveillance, without recognizing accompanying demands to redirect power and economic resources to low-income minority communities," according to the piece, written by three Ivy League professors of history and African American studies. "When blacks ask for better policing, legislators tend to hear more instead."
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Because Nixon and his administration made sure to highlight Blacks on the nightly news as criminals.
And it worked because white America wanted to see Black males locked up.

Hence the 3 strikes law.
 
evince said:
2. Why was it passed and who supported it?
At the time, violent crime was seen as out of control in the US. Starting in 1987, the homicide rate in the US was increasing by 5% each year, peaking in 1991 with 9.8 deaths per every 100,000 people. Many of those victims were young African Americans. Robbery and assault rates had exploded beginning in the late 1960s, and the crack cocaine epidemic was devastating the nation's urban centres.
The bill had bipartisan support, and easily passed both the House and Senate. The Clintons have pointed out that both black politicians and community leaders backed the law, and in general supported increased law enforcement in order to help quell street violence destroying communities.
But a recent New York Times op-ed calls this a "selective hearing" of what African American leaders were asking for and points out that members of the Congressional Black Caucus asked for provisions in the bill that were left out.
"Policy makers pointed to black support for greater punishment and surveillance, without recognizing accompanying demands to redirect power and economic resources to low-income minority communities," according to the piece, written by three Ivy League professors of history and African American studies. "When blacks ask for better policing, legislators tend to hear more instead."
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Bill Clinton's crime bill destroyed lives, and there's no point denying it
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...n-crime-bill-hillary-black-lives-thomas-frank

He destroyed entire communities and many policies in his bill were decidedly racist.
 
Nixon's Drug War, An Excuse To Lock Up Blacks And Protesters, Continues
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksh...blacks-and-protesters-continues/#50e2217e42c8

Dan Baum's mention of his interview with John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under Nixon, in the latest issue of Harper's is one of those moments.

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
 
Oh I voted against it as best I could dude


I talked people up about it to make them realize the major flaws in


there was massive public push behind it dude


even in Cali
 
TTQ64 said:
It wasn't just Clinton....it was the entire republican party and some dems who went along with it.

Americans were convinced that Black males were danger to society thanks to Nixon, Reagan and the rest of the bunch who spewed the propaganda americans slopped up.

Three strikes is and always has been a rightwing republican issue.

The right blames Clinton, perfect scapegoat for what they have always advocated for.
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When the crime bill was passed Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was President. The Democrats controlled the House and Senate. The bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden, Democrat, Delaware.

In the Senate 54 Democrats voted Yes, 2 Democrats voted No. 7 Republicans voted Yes, 36 voted No and 1 abstained.

In the House 188 Democrats voted Yes, 64 Democrats voted No. 46 Republicans voted Yes, 131 Republicans voted No.


Those numbers don't exactly show the entire Republican Party voting for it and some Dems going along. In fact it shows about the opposite.
 
TTQ64 said:
Because Nixon and his administration made sure to highlight Blacks on the nightly news as criminals.
And it worked because white America wanted to see Black males locked up.

Hence the 3 strikes law.
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news was WAY republican back then


I know

I was alive and watched it
 
cawacko said:
When the crime bill was passed Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was President. The Democrats controlled the House and Senate. The bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden, Democrat, Delaware.

In the Senate 54 Democrats voted Yes, 2 Democrats voted No. 7 Republicans voted Yes, 36 voted No and 1 abstained.

In the House 188 Democrats voted Yes, 64 Democrats voted No. 46 Republicans voted Yes, 131 Republicans voted No.


Those numbers don't exactly show the entire Republican Party voting for it and some Dems going along. In fact it shows about the opposite.
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give a link to the facts you want people to accept
 
cawacko said:
When the crime bill was passed Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was President. The Democrats controlled the House and Senate. The bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden, Democrat, Delaware.

In the Senate 54 Democrats voted Yes, 2 Democrats voted No. 7 Republicans voted Yes, 36 voted No and 1 abstained.

In the House 188 Democrats voted Yes, 64 Democrats voted No. 46 Republicans voted Yes, 131 Republicans voted No.


Those numbers don't exactly show the entire Republican Party voting for it and some Dems going along. In fact it shows about the opposite.
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It's pointless telling that loony anything, she has her own alternative reality and rarely does that intersect with this world.

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cawacko said:
When the crime bill was passed Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was President. The Democrats controlled the House and Senate. The bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden, Democrat, Delaware.

In the Senate 54 Democrats voted Yes, 2 Democrats voted No. 7 Republicans voted Yes, 36 voted No and 1 abstained.

In the House 188 Democrats voted Yes, 64 Democrats voted No. 46 Republicans voted Yes, 131 Republicans voted No.


Those numbers don't exactly show the entire Republican Party voting for it and some Dems going along. In fact it shows about the opposite.
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sounds about correct


they voted against things they would have supported in the past

just like they did with Obama
 
this was not a case of Clinton going against the people


the people were clamouring for a reduction in crime

the sad thing was the trend was JUST beginning to fade


it was a natural cycle of poverty and oppression

the people changed it on the ground


Lots of black voters supported the bill


I swear people didn't really know what it all contained


I tried

but I only knew so many voters at the time

cable news was brand new

Fox started in the next couple of years

1996 I think
 
evince said:
2. Why was it passed and who supported it?
At the time, violent crime was seen as out of control in the US. Starting in 1987, the homicide rate in the US was increasing by 5% each year, peaking in 1991 with 9.8 deaths per every 100,000 people. Many of those victims were young African Americans. Robbery and assault rates had exploded beginning in the late 1960s, and the crack cocaine epidemic was devastating the nation's urban centres.
The bill had bipartisan support, and easily passed both the House and Senate. The Clintons have pointed out that both black politicians and community leaders backed the law, and in general supported increased law enforcement in order to help quell street violence destroying communities.
But a recent New York Times op-ed calls this a "selective hearing" of what African American leaders were asking for and points out that members of the Congressional Black Caucus asked for provisions in the bill that were left out.
"Policy makers pointed to black support for greater punishment and surveillance, without recognizing accompanying demands to redirect power and economic resources to low-income minority communities," according to the piece, written by three Ivy League professors of history and African American studies. "When blacks ask for better policing, legislators tend to hear more instead."
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this


it STILL HAPPENS
 
cawacko said:
When the crime bill was passed Bill Clinton, a Democrat, was President. The Democrats controlled the House and Senate. The bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden, Democrat, Delaware.

In the Senate 54 Democrats voted Yes, 2 Democrats voted No. 7 Republicans voted Yes, 36 voted No and 1 abstained.

In the House 188 Democrats voted Yes, 64 Democrats voted No. 46 Republicans voted Yes, 131 Republicans voted No.


Those numbers don't exactly show the entire Republican Party voting for it and some Dems going along. In fact it shows about the opposite.
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Lies.
 
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