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‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED
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PostmodernProphet
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IT HAS BEGUN!.......
No, you are wrong. Everything we know contains no evidence of a deity. Nothing shows that fingerprint.
Only a fool would discard all we know, meditate in a cave and decide something that doesn't exist created everything yet hides from us all.
I will cede nothing to magic.
The chance that everything we don't know includes a magical creature that has magic powers and perhaps controls everything and created everything from nothing
is as likely as not, even considering all that we know includes trillions of things we have dissected and taxonomized, and not a single thing has been so identified.
is as likely as not, even considering all that we know includes trillions of things we have dissected and taxonomized, and not a single thing has been so identified.
This post addresses the following syllogism:
a) All in the cosmos can be divided into one of two categories: those things which are man-made, and everything else.
b) It is our cultural tradition, and factually correct to call that specific "everything else" CREATION.
c) If there is a creaTION then there must be a creaTOR, by definition.
And it has been the multi-cultural tradition for millennia to call that creaTOR "god".
Those that think it's Jehovah, or the flying spaghetti monster, FANTASTIC !!
Those that subscribe to the scientific consensus, that the Big Bang produced the cosmos, then BY DEFINITION the Big Bang is the creator, and thus by millennia of multi-cultural tradition the Big Bang is god.
If you want a refund, you'll have to fill in a form at the office. I don't define reality. I report it.
Any that wish to deny this reality are invited to REFUTE it. So far NO BODY has. No surprise to me! It's inerrant, in premise, logic AND conclusion.
All you need do is quote one syllogism whose major and minor premise are both valid / true, whose logic is unassailably true / valid, BUT!! whose conclusion is false; and I'll withdraw my assertion with apology.
Don't hold your breath.
NO BODY has refuted the major premise.
NO BODY has refuted the minor premise.
NO BODY has revealed ANY logical error in this proof. Therefore, according to all my training, all my study, and over a half-century of my own experience, I can attest that the conclusion is UNASSAILABLY true.
You don't have to like it.
You don't have to accept it.
You don't have to agree with it.
BUT !!
Until you disprove it, I'll continue to call it a "PROOF". For that is in fact the correct name. If you disagree, take it up with American Heritage®.
Please don't squabble. R E A S O N !!
My meager reward to you is to relate to you the utility of this proof.
An ill-equipped dying man might wonder whether or not there is a god. Armed with this unassailable thinking tool, that dying man can know AS A CERTITUDE that there is indeed a god.
Thus, in the question: is there? Yes? Or no?
we COMPLETELY ELIMINATE the "no" answer. That revelation can provide some solace to a dying man. And appreciated or not, it informs the rest of us.
PS
On a personal note:
I've ALREADY proved there is a god. But I consider myself an agnostic.
a) All in the cosmos can be divided into one of two categories: those things which are man-made, and everything else.
b) It is our cultural tradition, and factually correct to call that specific "everything else" CREATION.
c) If there is a creaTION then there must be a creaTOR, by definition.
And it has been the multi-cultural tradition for millennia to call that creaTOR "god".
Those that think it's Jehovah, or the flying spaghetti monster, FANTASTIC !!
Those that subscribe to the scientific consensus, that the Big Bang produced the cosmos, then BY DEFINITION the Big Bang is the creator, and thus by millennia of multi-cultural tradition the Big Bang is god.
If you want a refund, you'll have to fill in a form at the office. I don't define reality. I report it.
Any that wish to deny this reality are invited to REFUTE it. So far NO BODY has. No surprise to me! It's inerrant, in premise, logic AND conclusion.
"A logical form does not have any bearing on the truth of the facts asserted" UNLESS for example both major and minor premise of the syllogism are true, AND the logic is valid.
All you need do is quote one syllogism whose major and minor premise are both valid / true, whose logic is unassailably true / valid, BUT!! whose conclusion is false; and I'll withdraw my assertion with apology.
Don't hold your breath.
NO BODY has refuted the major premise.
NO BODY has refuted the minor premise.
NO BODY has revealed ANY logical error in this proof. Therefore, according to all my training, all my study, and over a half-century of my own experience, I can attest that the conclusion is UNASSAILABLY true.
You don't have to like it.
You don't have to accept it.
You don't have to agree with it.
BUT !!
Until you disprove it, I'll continue to call it a "PROOF". For that is in fact the correct name. If you disagree, take it up with American Heritage®.
Please don't squabble. R E A S O N !!
I sincerely appreciate both your candor, and your succinct clarity.
My meager reward to you is to relate to you the utility of this proof.
An ill-equipped dying man might wonder whether or not there is a god. Armed with this unassailable thinking tool, that dying man can know AS A CERTITUDE that there is indeed a god.
Thus, in the question: is there? Yes? Or no?
we COMPLETELY ELIMINATE the "no" answer. That revelation can provide some solace to a dying man. And appreciated or not, it informs the rest of us.
PS
On a personal note:
I've ALREADY proved there is a god. But I consider myself an agnostic.
Occam's Razor...is a bullshit philosophical joke.
Use it...and you get a pancake flat planet Earth smack dab in the center of everything that exists.
In any case...NO ONE IN THIS FORUM KNOWS THERE ARE NO GODS...
...AND ANY ASSERTION THAT THERE ARE NO GODS...OR THAT IT IS MORE LIKELY THAT THERE ARE NO GODS...
...IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BLIND GUESS.
Yes...the assertion "there is a GOD" is also a blind guess...and the notion the "god" is anything like that thing from the Bible is laughable...BUT IT IS A BLIND GUESS...and so is the guess "there are no gods."
You atheists claim to be scientific and logical.
Until you acknowledge all that...you are being neither.
There are people who also have "faith" that there are no gods.
What people ought to do is to suspend all that "believing"...all that blind guessing...
...and simply acknowledge that there is much we do not know about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.
Atheists who assert "there are no gods" or "it is more likely that there are no gods than that there are any"///
...are not presenting a valid argument...nor are they presenting facts.
They are presenting their blind guesses about REALITY.
Just like the theists are.
You are being an asshole on this issue.
You are pretending that YOUR blind guesses about the REALITY...
...are something more than the blind guesses of theism.
You are fooling yourself.
The chance that everything we don't know includes a magical creature that has magic powers and perhaps controls everything and created everything from nothing
is as likely as not, even considering all that we know includes trillions of things we have dissected and taxonomized, and not a single thing has been so identified.
How much has been identified about sentient beings that exist on any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol?
NOT ONE GODDAM THING.
The conclusion is not..."therefore there are no sentient beings on any of those planets"...but rather "we do not know if sentient beings exist on any of those planets."
Wake the hell up and stop kidding yourself.
Ockham's Razor is a statistically rational standard routinely taught in medical schools around the globe.
DOCTOR Joy Browne expresses it as follows:
When camping in North America, if you're inside the tent, and outside the tent you hear hoof-beats, assume it's deer, elk, moose, or horses, not zebras.
The most likely explanation is the most likely explanation.
Assuming the unlikely, assuming the absurd is a fool's errand.
Oh! My car keys aren't in my pocket where I expected them to be. Therefore obviously Martians from a parallel cosmos stole them!
Lunacy.
What a spectacularly foolish, ignorant assertion!
Study statistics, including applied statistics. Then spew that ignorance.
Fuck you very much for that, Sear.
Occam's Razor is, along with Pascal's Wager, among the philosophical jokes of history.
Get it or don't get it. Makes no difference to me.
But if you think that "there are no gods" is less a blind guess than "there is a GOD"...you are being an ignorant jackass.
PS
- uh, well we're here, we're not smart enough to figure out why / how we're here, therefore it must have been a spirit in the sky that created the cosmos in 6 days, and then took a day off for golf. -
notion.
Ockham's Razor is the statistically most likely, most plausible refutation of the:
- uh, well we're here, we're not smart enough to figure out why / how we're here, therefore it must have been a spirit in the sky that created the cosmos in 6 days, and then took a day off for golf. -
notion.
That's what you're defending ?1
PS
Ockham's Razor is the statistically most likely, most plausible refutation of the:
- uh, well we're here, we're not smart enough to figure out why / how we're here, therefore it must have been a spirit in the sky that created the cosmos in 6 days, and then took a day off for golf. -
notion.
That's what you're defending ?1
I am saying that Occam's Razor is a useless philosophical tool.
I also am saying that the assertion "there are no gods" like the assertion "there is a GOD" IS NOTHING BUT A BLIND GUESS.
PS
Vulgar vocabulary is so much more logically persuasive than a well reasoned argument.
Pascal's Wager is ABSOLUTELY just as you assert, worse than a joke. It's a ruse. A fiction.
Your cognitive prospects are in very serious doubt.
Know it or not
believe it or not
like it or not
admit it or not
whether there is a god or not
depends on how god is defined !!
- get over it -
Excellent!
Vulgar vocabulary is so much more logically persuasive than a well reasoned argument.
Ockham's Razor (please note the spelling) is logical, based upon mathematical fundamentals.
Pascal's Wager is ABSOLUTELY just as you assert, worse than a joke. It's a ruse. A fiction.
I had it before you posted.
Your cognitive prospects are in very serious doubt.
And if you think defining terms is extraneous in such dialogue, you're woefully if not invincibly ignorant.
Know it or not
believe it or not
like it or not
admit it or not
whether there is a god or not
depends on how god is defined !!
- get over it -
PS
And that's why you're wrong.
Ockham's Razor (please please note the spelling) is a reasoning tool virtually all sentients use daily.
That is PRECISELY what you're asserting.
And you continue to be wrong.
Just because human history includes the mythopeic tradition of supernatural superstition doesn't mean supernatural deities are a manifest reality.
Right! Thank you for your candid confession.
And that's why you're wrong.
Ockham's Razor (please please note the spelling) is a reasoning tool virtually all sentients use daily.
Correct.
That is PRECISELY what you're asserting.
And you continue to be wrong.
Just because human history includes the mythopeic tradition of supernatural superstition doesn't mean supernatural deities are a manifest reality.
You think so?
I don't. But it can be more fun.
Occam's Razor is most often spelled "Occam's Razor"...although that piece of philosophical crap IS spelled many different ways.
I prefer Occam's.
If you think that...you are a fool.
Yeah, Assholes married to a blind guess often go through this kind of shit.
Happy swimming.
BOTTOM LINE:
Anyone asserting "there is a god" or "there are no gods" ARE DOING NOTHING MORE THAN SHARING BLIND GUESSES ABOUT THE REALITY OF EXISTENCE.
Atheistic blind guessing is especially humorous, because atheists like to suppose their blind guesses are the product of reason, logic, science and math.
They are a laughable bunch of clowns.
I am not "wrong."
Occam's Razor is philosophical nonsense.
It most often is spelled Occam's Razor...although it is often spelled differently. I prefer Occam's Razor.
No I am not.
Wow. That was a pretentious pile of shit pretending to be a thought.
If you are asserting that "there are no gods"...you are merely sharing a blind guess about the true nature of the REALITY of existence.
I know...I know. It is hard for you atheists to wrap your "minds" around that. But it is so.
MAGA MAN
Let's go Brandon!
So you say...