‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

[Micawber]

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR A GOD.

But anyone who considers that adequate reason to assert, "Therefore there are no gods"...is a fucking moron.

YOU are not a moron, Nordberg. Stop doing it!

Very emotional.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Define "need".

If indeed "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR A GOD" then why does such notion proliferate around the world in virtually every human culture, and persist from primordial humanity clear into the 3rd millennium modernity?

I deduce your definition of the word "need" could use an update.

Try reading my comment in the context of what I was replying to, Sear.

Nordberg has written, "Hawkins said "the laws of physics explain the universe without a need for a god."

My response essentially was, "He is correct. The laws of physics (are enough to) explain the universe without a need for a god."

Need sorta means "a necessity."

I am saying that it is NOT necessary for their to be a god in order to explain "the universe."

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE ARE NO GODS.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Very emotional.

I would have preferred "very appropriate"...but...

 

[sear]

FA #862

Thanks for the clarification. When posting an assertion with qualification, it's a good idea to include that qualification in the assertion, as you have done in #862.

"THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE ARE NO GODS." FA

Agreed.
But it's still a worthwhile exercise, for if the laws of physics, chemistry, etc. could NOT explain a natural Genesis, that would seem to tilt the plausible explanation to the supernatural.

And just as you observe, the fact that scientific laws provide a plausible path to natural Genesis does not mean there are no gods. It's a non-reciprocal relationship.

 

[Into the Night]

Just because it doesn't mention where it "came from", doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

Yes it does.

As to where the 'intelligence' the Theory of Creation mentions, you can apply either the Theory of Creation or the Theory of Abiogenesis in any combination to HIS world, and iteratively after that.

How far can you carry it? To the beginning of the Universe, obviously, but only if there IS a beginning of the Universe. That's a completely separate pair of theories concerning that, also mutually exclusive. One is the Theory of the Big Bang and the Theory of the Continuum. Neither of those theories are theories of science either.

 

[Into the Night]

"That agreement was never ratified." IN #848

It was never ratified. That's why I didn't call it a "treaty". I called it an "agreement".

"He had the perfect authority to do so." IN #848

I didn't question his authority.

Yes you did.

I acknowledged Trump's lack of sound judgement.

No, you questioned his authority.

We might excuse Trump one excess, as Trump is clearly OJT.
But Trump has done this often enough to have with less than half his term complete, established a pattern of making the U.S. look like an unreliable international partner.

Is that why he successfully negotiated a replacement for the North American trade agreement? It that why he successfully negotiated trade agreements with other countries?

With a pattern like this, breaking multiple agreements, why should other nations bother engaging U.S. in diplomatic negotiations, if we don't adhere to the agreements we make?

Because they just did.

re: Russia breaking the nuclear proliferation treaty
I'm not playing that game with you.
When a signatory to a treaty performs an act or acts believed by another signatory to violate the terms of that treaty, that does NOT mean that treaty no longer exists. So you're wrong, again.

WRONG. The treaty is broken. It no longer exists. BOTH sides of a treaty must honor the treaty, or it is useless. It no longer exists.

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In any case, the nuclear missile treaty Trump has unilaterally abandoned was widely regarded by experts as a stabilizing influence in our world awash with weapons.

You do have to admit one thing: the coming of the Bomb has reduced war between major powers. The dream of Alfred Nobel has finally come to realization. An explosive device is now so devastating, that all out war became much more of an unthinkable event between the nations that have them.

Just because nuclear war hasn't broken out yet doesn't mean Trump's unilateral action hasn't harmed the United States.

Non-sequtur.

Even if nuclear war never results from this, it doesn't mean such fickle leadership style doesn't do serious harm to U.S. international / diplomatic authority, leadership, and power.

Non-sequitur.

Rah Rah Rah for "drain the swamp".
The problem is, if this is Trump's style of "drain the swamp" it's doing more harm than good. Substantially so. And the sanity check on that is the U.S. has become the world's laughing stock.

Au contrare. The United States has gained a new respect around the world. A far cry from the laughingstock days of Obama's administration.

The laughter at President Trump by the U.N. general assembly during Trump's boasting about his administration interrupted Trump's speech. Were it not for "the button" this administration should be considered a farce.

Personally, I wonder why the United States even funds the U.N. anymore. They do not bring any peace anywhere.

 

[Into the Night]

If enough Americans are stupid enough to continue to allow the abomination, Donald Trump, to do what he is doing the way he is doing it...

...it deserves what I am supposing will happen.

It will essentially go belly-up.

Donald Trump is the most grotesque, boorish, classless person ever to serve as our president...and anyone still supporting him is a traitor to America and to humanity.

"The rule of law" is not being "restored" it is being shit upon.

"The theft of wealth" is something only an ignorant person would use to refer to taxation.

"Capitalism" as practiced here, is ruining the great experiment that is America.

I do not do "believing."

And lastly, Donald Trump is the most grotesque, boorish, classless person ever to serve as our president...and anyone still supporting him is a traitor to America and to humanity.

Anything else you want to redefine?

Sorry dude. Taxation is the confiscation of wealth by force. Theft.
Trump upholds the Constitution of the United States. He doesn't ignore it like Obama and Clinton did.
Capitalism is what BUILT America.

 

[Into the Night]

You can say that again.

Trump has an abrasive personality, especially when he calls out the media when they lie, and when he calls out the liberals when they lie. Personally, I find that refreshing in a president.

 

[Into the Night]

Hawkins said "the laws of physics explain the universe without a need for a god."

But they don't explain the universe.

 

[Into the Night]

Define "need".

If indeed "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR A GOD" then why does such notion proliferate around the world in virtually every human culture, and persist from primordial humanity clear into the 3rd millennium modernity?

I deduce your definition of the word "need" could use an update.

'Need' is not a proof.

 

[Into the Night]

FA #862

Thanks for the clarification. When posting an assertion with qualification, it's a good idea to include that qualification in the assertion, as you have done in #862.

Agreed.
But it's still a worthwhile exercise, for if the laws of physics, chemistry, etc. could NOT explain a natural Genesis, that would seem to tilt the plausible explanation to the supernatural.

And just as you observe, the fact that scientific laws provide a plausible path to natural Genesis does not mean there are no gods. It's a non-reciprocal relationship.

Define 'natural Genesis'. Are you referring to the Theory of Creation, or the Theory of Abiogenisis? Neither theory is a scientific theory. Both theories are religions.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Au contrare. The United States has gained a new respect around the world. A far cry from the laughingstock days of Obama's administration.

Into the Night (fucking idiotic name for a discussion)...

...you are way too intelligent to actually think that we were a laughing stock during the Obama administration...

...and have "gained new respect around the world"...

...with this pathetic, ignorant, self-absorbed, boorish, classless abomination as our leader.

What kind of game are you playing here?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Anything else you want to redefine?

Sorry dude. Taxation is the confiscation of wealth by force. Theft.
Trump upholds the Constitution of the United States. He doesn't ignore it like Obama and Clinton did.
Capitalism is what BUILT America.

I feel sad for you.

I guess the people who supported Adolf Hitler kidded themselves the way you are doing here.

You should be above this.

I doubt you can be, though...so you are stuck with it.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Trump has an abrasive personality, especially when he calls out the media when they lie, and when he calls out the liberals when they lie. Personally, I find that refreshing in a president.

Since Sear asked me to say that again...I will:

"Donald Trump is the most grotesque, boorish, classless person ever to serve as our president...and anyone still supporting him is a traitor to America and to humanity."

 

[Sailor]

The term 'NAZI', when translated into English, means National Socialist German Workers. It is SOCIALISM, dude. Fascism is one of two forms of socialism, the other being communism.
Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth from others. Hitler did it too. Capitalism is the only system that creates wealth out of nothing.

ItN, you need to look up the definition of socialism. They you need to look up historical fact as to what Nazi Germany did with private industry. You will find quite easily that you are incorrect.

 

[sear]

"Define 'natural Genesis'.

"Are you referring to the Theory of Creation, or the Theory of Abiogenisis?" IN #871

No.
Not specifically.

"Neither theory is a scientific theory. Both theories are religions." IN #871

Isn't that spacial !

I refuse to get bogged down in terminological squabbles.

One of two things is true.

a) Either science has an alternate explanation for the Holy Bible's book of Genesis, or

b) it does not.

If it does, plug it in here.

If it does not, happy Halloween.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Yes it does.

As to where the 'intelligence' the Theory of Creation mentions, you can apply either the Theory of Creation or the Theory of Abiogenesis in any combination to HIS world, and iteratively after that.

How far can you carry it? To the beginning of the Universe, obviously, but only if there IS a beginning of the Universe. That's a completely separate pair of theories concerning that, also mutually exclusive. One is the Theory of the Big Bang and the Theory of the Continuum. Neither of those theories are theories of science either.

You saying it, doesn't make it so.

Please pay attention to the FACT that you continue to refer to "theories".

As to how far it can be carried, is unknown.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Anything else you want to redefine?

Sorry dude. Taxation is the confiscation of wealth by force. Theft.
Trump upholds the Constitution of the United States. He doesn't ignore it like Obama and Clinton did.
Capitalism is what BUILT America.

Just think about that, for a minute.

A country where people could come and succeed or fail, totally on their own abilities; something that was unthinkable elsewhere in the known world.

GOD BLESS THE USA.

 

[Micawber]

 

[Into the Night]

Into the Night (fucking idiotic name for a discussion)...

So you counter-argument is to make fun of my moniker???

...you are way too intelligent to actually think that we were a laughing stock during the Obama administration...
...and have "gained new respect around the world"...
...with this pathetic, ignorant, self-absorbed, boorish, classless abomination as our leader.
What kind of game are you playing here?

The truth.

Obviously, you don't like Trump. Echoing the sound bite news is not the Truth.