There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that

[goat]

The USA has over a thousand police killings a year, which is 5 to 50 times higher per capita than any other developed country. How much is because we have worse police and how much because we have more violent civilians is up for question, but we really should be doing something about it.

It's cause and effect, Walt. Militarize police to terrorize we the people and there will eventually be a kinetic reaction.

 

[TOP]

A shame you can't see it.

No, it's not mostly Democrats. It's mostly people who shrug off or even enjoy events such as a five year old school boy yanked from his family.

What low moral plane?
It is mostly Democrats... A five year old boy did not get yanked from his family... And No one enjoys that kind of thing....

 

[IBDaMann]

The USA has over a thousand police killings a year,

Are that many police really being killed?

which is 5 to 50 times higher per capita than any other developed country.

What possible relevance do you imagine that this peice of statistical trivia can have?

How much is because we have worse police and how much because we have more violent civilians is up for question,

Nope. The only question that matters is how much of the violent crime occurs on blue turf and how much occurs on red turf. That is the only question that will illuminate anything on this matter.

Does anyone have these stats?

but we really should be doing something about it.

As long as we just do something, am I right?

 

[Walt]

Are that many police really being killed?

No that many people are really killed by police.

What possible relevance do you imagine that this peice of statistical trivia can have?

Something is happening to make police kill more Americans than police kill in other countries.

The only question that matters is how much of the violent crime occurs on blue turf and how much occurs on red turf.

America has many times the murder rate of any other developed country. Cities like New York and Los Angeles have amazingly low murder rates, but the rural white murder rate keep climbing.

 

[IBDaMann]

Something is happening to make police kill more Americans than police kill in other countries.

China kills more. Your trivia is erroneous.

America has many times the murder rate of any other developed country.

Blue cities have the vast bulk of the violence. Leftist policies breed poverty and violence. Leftists commit all the assassinations. Leftists comprise all the violent agitators. Violence is firmly on the left.

Cities like New York and Los Angeles have amazingly low murder rates,

Cities like New York and Los Angeles have sky-high murder tolls.

but the rural white murder rate keep climbing.

... only because the population is growing. Infinitesimally low violence still doubles when the population doubles, and it is still infintiesimally low.

Get rid of the leftists and violence will drop to practically nothing.

 

[Crepitus]

There is no possible universe where Pretti's killing was a "good shoot", everyone needs to move on from that. The story that he had pulled a gun, and was about to shoot ICE agents before being killed is not possible. Clearly he did not have a gun when killed, and was not about to kill anyone. There is no possible universe where this was self defense.

It could still be mistaken self defense. That would be a bad shoot, but at least not a felony. Mistaken self defense is a positive defense, so it must be presented to be considered. The killers need to convince the jury that in their mind they thought he was a threat, even though he was not a threat.

And there lies the problem. They claimed he was a "domestic terrorist" who had pulled a gun on them, even after they knew for sure that he had not. They destroyed the footage he took of the incident. And most important they lied, repeatedly. So they have to convince a jury that while they have said a lot of lies about the incident, they are telling the truth about one part of it.

At first it seems kind of believable, that they mistook a cell phone for a gun... But then you realize they were focused on that cell phone from the beginning. They wanted to take that cell phone away from Pretti, because it was what he was using to film their crimes. That cell phone was the reason he was beating Pretti. They knew it was a cell phone, and wanted to take it away. When they killed him, they took the cell phone and destroyed it. That is destroying the evidence.

So a bad shoot, and probably murder.

It's hard to see it as a mistake when the victim is face down and shot in the back.

 

[Crepitus]

You know you're never right.... This is another one of those times....

Use your head for something besides a blunt instrument for a change. You cannot call a person who is face down on the ground a threat, nor is shooting him in the back anything less than murder.

 

[Walt]

China kills more.

Actually, Chinese police rarely kill anyone. Many do not even carry guns. There are not exact statistics on it, but it would be considered bizarre for the police to kill someone in China.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Pretti case is a marker of how low Trump supporters have reduced themselves.

Agreed. Many people, including myself, knew all MAGAts were lowlife scum unfit to be around women and children, but it's always nice to see them confirm it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's hard to see it as a mistake when the victim is face down and shot in the back.

Shot multiple times, followed by a pause, then the corpse shot several more times. Trump as made thugs and terrorists federal officers to do whatever he tells them to do through Noem.

 

[Monad Portal]

So you do not care about any of the evidence? You have decided to believe that Pretti was threatening agents with a gun, even though he did not have a gun?

he's a victim of his own stupidity.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

he's a victim of his own stupidity.

^^^
Knows what he's talkin' about from experience.

 

[FastLane]

It's hard to see it as a mistake when the victim is face down and shot in the back.

he has a dark object in his hand that could be mistaken for a gun.

 

[Crepitus]

he has a dark object in his hand that could be mistaken for a gun.

Desperate attempts to excuse the inexcusable. It was broad daylight in the middle of the street.

 

[FastLane]

Use your head for something besides a blunt instrument for a change. You cannot call a person who is face down on the ground a threat, nor is shooting him in the back anything less than murder.

He was on his knees with one hand free and the other on the ground. He WAC NOT face down on the ground Mr. Snuffleupagus.

 

[FastLane]

Desperate attempts to excuse the inexcusable. It was broad daylight in the middle of the street.

You have ZERO idea where the agents eyes were and what they saw. There is a video of two agents searching his body after the shooting saying "where is the gun."

 

[Crepitus]

He was on his knees with one hand free and the other on the ground. He WAC NOT face down on the ground Mr. Snuffleupagus.

That's face down on the ground.

DERP

 

[TOP]

Use your head for something besides a blunt instrument for a change. You cannot call a person who is face down on the ground a threat, nor is shooting him in the back anything less than murder.

Now you know that whole situation was not as "simple" as that... Which is why there will be an investigation... The sad thing is it could have been so easily avoided.... If people would have just used their heads for something besides a blunt instrument...

 

[FastLane]

That's face down on the ground.

DERP

His face was not on the ground DERP! DERP! DERP! He still had control of his right hand and was potentially very dangerous.

 

[FastLane]

Now you know that whole situation was not as "simple" as that... Which is why there will be an investigation... The sad thing is it could have been so easily avoided.... If people would have just used their heads for something besides a blunt instrument...

If Pretti had done what his parents asked....