This book exists, believe it or not

[T. A. Gardner]

I am not taking a position on the trans issue but will point a few facts you ignore.

First is that 'being gay' used to be considered a "mental illness" too. Second is that "suicide rates" amongst gays, especially gay children, used to be significantly higher.

So what was core to that coming down?

A significant part, if not the largest was society acceptance of gay people as normal and not considering them 'mentally ill' and society over all stop focusing hate at them in media, comedy and society over all.

I think it is undeniably intuitive that if from the youngest ages of a person developing their identity others are telling them they are mentally ill, abominations, should not exist and attacking them the way the right attacks trans kids and people, that their suicide rates would be crazy high.

Being gay doesn't involve using cosmetic surgery (elective, unnecessary surgery) and genital mutilation. It doesn't involve forcing other people to accept you wanting to wear clothes of the opposite gender, use personally chosen pronouns like some little kid might make up. Nor does it require continuous use of multiple drugs to make up for the lack of your body producing them because you are the wrong sex biologically.

Indulging children in their fantasies should only go so far. It shouldn't involve surgery, drugs, and counselling to reinforce those fantasies.

 

[QP!]

Being gay doesn't involve using cosmetic surgery (elective, unnecessary surgery) and genital mutilation. It doesn't involve forcing other people to accept you wanting to wear clothes of the opposite gender, use personally chosen pronouns like some little kid might make up. Nor does it require continuous use of multiple drugs to make up for the lack of your body producing them because you are the wrong sex biologically.

Indulging children in their fantasies should only go so far. It shouldn't involve surgery, drugs, and counselling to reinforce those fantasies.

The arguments you are trying to make here are the same type used to justify the 'gay demonization and discrimination prior' as their efforts to gain rights and acceptance parelled the civil rights (people of color) fights for rights.

The bigots and hateful who finally had to accept (willingly or begrudgingly) that discrimination and demonization against POC was wrong (or subsiding) would argue when it came to why 'being gay was different and thus ok to hate to discrimate against', that being 'gay was a choice... unlike skin color... etc'.

The point being what you are trying to paint above is IRRELEVANT, as you are trying to define the discrimination and hate as OK because of what you can define as DIFFERENT from the gay person journey, in the same way gays faced it with people like (probably literally younger you) arguing what was different between gays and POC.

It is a fallacy to argue 'since their issue are not the same (and then list differences) , therefore it is ok to hate and discriminate against them.

Also you never acknowledged whether you accept that the high suicide rates you point at would be greatly impacted by being a young child, dealing with these already challenging issues, while having adults demonize you and fling hate at you at all times and thru every form of media they can do it on. Do you accept that a constant barrage of the type of hate and discrimination they are constantly bombarded with, will have an impact on isolating those people from society even more leading to an increase in suicides?

 

[stephenPE]

I have seen grown ass men berate their 8 yr old child for striking out or missing a ground ball. That is child abuse. Kids know what they are pretty much early on. And nobody is trying to change children except that fat ass big mouth screaming at his son. Like black and gays, trans humans are the next boogyman for the racists. Mentally ill. Taking knives to children. They took a knife to me when I was 4 days old. Its normal to me. Women and now men get cosmetic surgery all the time to look and feel different. If someone is not hurting you let it go. Humanity is diverse and not all the same (I hope you didn't get triggered by diverse) We are not all wired alike. Demonstrated by elections. Some feed into that hate and fear and anger. The idiot proved it worked on millions.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are good at insults like your cult leader even if they are inane and mean nothing. Why would I read something obviously religion based and unscientific.

That's obvious because it goes against the party?

ROFL

Conclusion without evidence or a modicum of research. Your prejudice and preconceptions are good enough.

Typical of the left.

I knew I liked girls when I was 5 yrs old. Most people know who they are attracted to early on. But you want to believe it's some sort of evilness or sin and needs to be eliminated like in an exorcism........Its sad at all the ignorance and hate directed at people that are different. But fear and hate plays well with the uneducated cult.......so give me the high points of that book. DId it make you feel better about your prejudice?

Ohhhh ad hom will save you.

ROFL.

Marxists are such clowns.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ok I checked it out and the idiocy apparent in the first line.....
A Christian psychologist offers strategies for ensuring that children choose heterosexuality. Christian psychologist.......lmao

You have evidence that he does not have strategies?

And its a choice in his words. When did you choose, Uncensored.

More mindless ad hom.

I understand, you can't defend your mindless bigotry so you attack those who question your position.

Like I said I knew I liked girls when I was 5. I could no more choose to be gay than I could to be a trump worshipper.........who would choose to be something that causes hate and fear in homophobes like you.....and too many other ignorant fks......... the really sad part are these parents who cannot love their children unconditionally. And the kids want their parents approval. I remember when my MAGA best friend was upset his boy was gay. He asked what he should do. My reply was "he is your son and you love him." Now they seem fine. His son was always going to be gay no matter how many ignorant asss religious nuts believe they change a persons innate human nature......... This is why they have high rates of suicide. Realizing their parents cannot love them for who they are.......and they cannot change that or themselves...........

Irrelevant pap.

I have no idea if I would agree with the author or disagree, since I didn't read the work. Nor do I know if he presents sound arguments or engages in ignorance.

But I do know that you are engaged in ignorance, driven by your prejudice.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Oh no problem teaching children that anal sex is wrong. None at all.

Is that what the book teaches?

Which page number or chapter is that on?

Do you think the author should be arrested for thought crimes and ideas contrary to party objectives?

 

[Uncensored2008]

What's hard to believe is how butthurt you are about it. The book is one of thousands published that year. So?

It's HERESY!

The faithful of the party cannot allow ideas contrary to party goals.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The LGBT books are harmful to children and yet this book isn't. That's cognitive dissonance.

Do you grasp that this book is written for adults, not children? Do you grasp that no one has demanded that it be read to 5 year olds in public schools?

Are there any Marxists who are NOT total fucking morons?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Forcing homosexual children to be who they are not is harmful. No different from raising children to be transgender, which people have been having screeching fits over.

But it's fine to groom children to be trans or gay?

The typical Marxist double standard.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Are you for real?????

Are you able to tie your own shoes?

Nah - not with that IQ of 35.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is your opinion. What kind of professional help would you suggest that doesn't harm the trans children?

And by "harm" you mean make them "not trans?"

Tell me, why do you think you Marxists should have a say in how parents raise their children.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is without question.

Ah, the level of discourse we get from Marxists...

If we took the IQ of every leftist on this board and added it together, it wouldn't reach triple digits.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Teens commit suicide at a high rate. I guess we should remove all social media, including Facebook. I doubt Suckerberg would be happy.

Trying to duck, as always.

Teens do not have a 50% suicide rate, or even 10%.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I have seen grown ass men berate their 8 yr old child for striking out or missing a ground ball. That is child abuse. Kids know what they are pretty much early on.

Right, didn't you say you knew you were superman when you were like 8?

And nobody is trying to change children except that fat ass big mouth screaming at his son. Like black and gays, trans humans are the next boogyman for the racists. Mentally ill. Taking knives to children. They took a knife to me when I was 4 days old. Its normal to me. Women and now men get cosmetic surgery all the time to look and feel different. If someone is not hurting you let it go. Humanity is diverse and not all the same (I hope you didn't get triggered by diverse) We are not all wired alike. Demonstrated by elections. Some feed into that hate and fear and anger. The idiot proved it worked on millions.

Should children be raised by the state, or directly by the party? Would you support forcibly removing children from all parents at birth, or perhaps only white parents?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The arguments you are trying to make here are the same type used to justify the 'gay demonization and discrimination prior' as their efforts to gain rights and acceptance parelled the civil rights (people of color) fights for rights.

The bigots and hateful who finally had to accept (willingly or begrudgingly) that discrimination and demonization against POC was wrong (or subsiding) would argue when it came to why 'being gay was different and thus ok to hate to discrimate against', that being 'gay was a choice... unlike skin color... etc'.

The point being what you are trying to paint above is IRRELEVANT, as you are trying to define the discrimination and hate as OK because of what you can define as DIFFERENT from the gay person journey, in the same way gays faced it with people like (probably literally younger you) arguing what was different between gays and POC.

It is a fallacy to argue 'since their issue are not the same (and then list differences) , therefore it is ok to hate and discriminate against them.

Also you never acknowledged whether you accept that the high suicide rates you point at would be greatly impacted by being a young child, dealing with these already challenging issues, while having adults demonize you and fling hate at you at all times and thru every form of media they can do it on. Do you accept that a constant barrage of the type of hate and discrimination they are constantly bombarded with, will have an impact on isolating those people from society even more leading to an increase in suicides?

The argument you make here is essentially that society should allow virtually anything.

A society that stands for anything, stands for nothing. It's the same argument as letting children and students decide what gets taught to them in a classroom. Students and children do not know enough to make well informed decisions.

My commentary on suicide rates is that there is no other defined group, no matter how oppressed, how degraded by society, that comes close to the trans community in suicides. It isn't due to "oppression" or "demonization."

 

[AProudLefty]

Trying to duck, as always.

Teens do not have a 50% suicide rate, or even 10%.

I guess those deaths are fake.

 

[AProudLefty]

There were people who expected better from you.

?

 

[AProudLefty]

Is that what the book teaches?

What does the book teaches?

Which page number or chapter is that on?

Do you think the author should be arrested for thought crimes and ideas contrary to party objectives?

Be held liable if children are harmed.

 

[QP!]

The argument you make here is essentially that society should allow virtually anything.

A society that stands for anything, stands for nothing. It's the same argument as letting children and students decide what gets taught to them in a classroom. Students and children do not know enough to make well informed decisions.

My commentary on suicide rates is that there is no other defined group, no matter how oppressed, how degraded by society, that comes close to the trans community in suicides. It isn't due to "oppression" or "demonization."

No that is a stupid take.

The argument i am making here is why a gay person or a black person should be allowed to live and let live like a white person, free of government coersion or their ability to pursue 'life, liberty and their pursuit of happiness'.

Society USED TO STAND FOR blocking black people, via force of law, from interacting in society in the way white people could.

Society USED TO STAND FOR blocking gay people, via force of law, from interacting in society in the way heterosexuals could.

You are correct when you say 'society stood for ...things'.

But you are wrong to not see that the Constitution tells society and gov't to STAY THE FUCK OUT and not just say, as you want to 'I stand for something as society and thus blacks and gay can and should be limited'.

That is bigotry Terry. That is anti US Constitution. That makes you wrong Terry. And simply saying 'but i, and society get to stand for something' does not and should not give you that power.

 

[In the Night]

Do you grasp that this book is written for adults, not children? Do you grasp that no one has demanded that it be read to 5 year olds in public schools?

Are there any Marxists who are NOT total fucking morons?

LeftNut cannot grasp anything. He mostly just posts random phrases by rolling the dice.