Trump Hush Money case explained

[Dutch Uncle]

Unless the Manhattan DA's office has something special under wraps, Trump would walk away from this with a misdemeanor. It's the weakest of the multiple cases against Trump; 1/6, election fraud and classified material crimes.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...umps-involvement-in-hush-money-case-explained
New York’s probe of Trump’s involvement in hush-money case, explained

...What is the case about?
The investigation centers on hush-money payments made in 2016 to two women who alleged that they had extramarital encounters with Trump, who has denied their accounts of his infidelity.

Specifically, District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s team appears to be looking at whether Trump or anyone committed crimes in arranging the payments, or in the way they accounted for them internally at the Trump Organization...

...What crimes are prosecutors looking at?
Legal experts say a case could be made that Trump falsified business records by logging Cohen’s reimbursement for the Daniels payment as legal fees. But that’s only a misdemeanor under New York law — unless prosecutors could prove he falsified records to conceal another crime.

Mark Pomerantz, who led the investigation under then-District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., wrote in his recent book “People vs. Donald Trump: An Inside Account” that in 2021, he looked into whether Trump could be charged with money laundering or if Trump had been somehow extorted.

David Shapiro, a fraud risk and financial crimes specialist and former FBI special agent, said a potential case against Trump could be “especially difficult” when it comes to proving his intent and knowledge of wrongdoing.

“He’s loud, he’s brash, so proving that he had specific intent to fraud, one is almost left with the idea that, ‘well, if he has that specific intent of fraud, he has it all of the time, because that’s his personality,’” said Shapiro, a lecturer at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

The Manhattan district attorney’s office has declined to comment on the investigation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61084161
Donald Trump: His four biggest legal problems

Donald Trump is under investigation for everything from his handling of top secret documents to alleged payments made to a former adult film star - and he is facing numerous lawsuits as well.

It can be difficult to keep track of the investigations, so here's four that could have the biggest impact on him both personally and politically....

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not that I really care, because I don't give a shit about Trump, but I love how anything Trump provokes the Left into fits of spittle frothing hysteria. My guess based on the track record to date is this is just one more

 

[Lionfish]

Well put. It is difficult for me to imagine the hatrid that continually boils in the heads of these malcontent wackadoodles. Seven full years and counting for those poor bastards.

 

[Nordberg]

Well put. It is difficult for me to imagine the haterid that continually boils in the heads of these malcontent wackadoodles. Seven full years and counting for those poor bastards.

It has nothing to do with the left. It is a legal problem that Trump's lawyer got a 3-year sentence for. The trial frequently talked about person 1, who was Trump. Trump broke the law, again.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not that I really care, because I don't give a shit about Trump...

Terry, over the past two years you've made it abundantly clear you give a shit.

What piques my interest is why you've so fervently been trying to sweep this under the rug since day one.

Hey, unlike Antifa and BLM, the rioters didn't go straight to massive looting and arson...

 

[BidenPresident]

Not that I really care, because I don't give a shit about Trump, but I love how anything Trump provokes the Left into fits of spittle frothing hysteria. My guess based on the track record to date is this is just one more

You always defend Trump.

 

[Lionfish]

It has nothing to do with the left. It is a legal problem that Trump's lawyer got a 3-year sentence for. The trial frequently talked about person 1, who was Trump. Trump broke the law, again.

Bullshit nordy, it's all about Trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You always defend Trump.

I'm just going with the odds here.

 

[BartenderElite]

Not that I really care, because I don't give a shit about Trump, but I love how anything Trump provokes the Left into fits of spittle frothing hysteria. My guess based on the track record to date is this is just one more

Gee....why oh why would the left get thrown into "fits" about Trump?

Maybe because he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power? Or how about talking about "eliminating" the Constitution? Maybe it's the total lack of respect for our founders, our laws & institutions?

Those crazy lefties. Why do they care about the republic so much?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm just going with the odds here.

Trump invites them to DC, orders them to the Capital, coordinates with his Proud Boys to no longer stand by and they come prepared to attack, which they did. Why do you see a "nothing burger" here, Terry?

Didn't you push the Antifa/BLM agitator narrative and the Ray Epps conspiracy theory?

 

[Althea]

Unless the Manhattan DA's office has something special under wraps, Trump would walk away from this with a misdemeanor. It's the weakest of the multiple cases against Trump; 1/6, election fraud and classified material crimes.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...umps-involvement-in-hush-money-case-explained
New York’s probe of Trump’s involvement in hush-money case, explained


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61084161
Donald Trump: His four biggest legal problems

The Daniels case is more about campaign finance regulations. Same for the other woman he bribed.
But you're right...small potatoes compared to his other crimes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Daniels case is more about campaign finance regulations. Same for the other woman he bribed.
But you're right...small potatoes compared to his other crimes.

The article indicates it might be difficult to prove past a misdemeanor conviction.

 

[Jarod]

Depends considering that Michael Cohen spent a year inside, hard to argue he deserves more time that the principle.

 

[Grokmaster]

Unless the Manhattan DA's office has something special under wraps, Trump would walk away from this with a misdemeanor. It's the weakest of the multiple cases against Trump; 1/6, election fraud and classified material crimes.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...umps-involvement-in-hush-money-case-explained
New York’s probe of Trump’s involvement in hush-money case, explained


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61084161
Donald Trump: His four biggest legal problems

The FEC has already ruled that the payments were ok, years ago:

FEC drops investigation into Trump hush money payments

The Federal Elections Commission (FEC) has closed its investigation into whether former President Trump illegally made hush money payments to women prior to the 2016 election.

The FEC voted 4-1 to close the inquiry after failing to find that Trump or his campaign “knowingly and willfully” violated campaign finance law when his former attorney Michael Cohen paid $130,000 to porn star Stormy Daniels to keep her from disclosing an alleged affair.

Cohen was convicted in 2018 of lying to Congress, tax evasion and other charges relating to the payments to Daniels and other women. He served three years in prison.




https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/552271-fec-drops-investigation-into-trump-hush-money-payments/

 

[Nordberg]

Not that I really care, because I don't give a shit about Trump, but I love how anything Trump provokes the Left into fits of spittle frothing hysteria. My guess based on the track record to date is this is just one more

Fits of spittle frothing? So you can see what they look like? The fact is Trump cannot win the case of payoffs, But he will likely plead to a misdemeanor. That would bother normal voters, but not Trumpys. However the other cases are far more dangerous. I was able to type that with little emotion. It is a fact.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Well put. It is difficult for me to imagine the hatrid that continually boils in the heads of these malcontent wackadoodles. Seven full years and counting for those poor bastards.

They go to sleep at night fearing what the Orange Man wants to do to them...give them jobs and low gas prices or something?

No excuse to get to work, maybe? I'm all out of excuses by next week.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The FEC has already ruled that the payments were ok, years ago:

FEC drops investigation into Trump hush money payments

The Federal Elections Commission (FEC) has closed its investigation into whether former President Trump illegally made hush money payments to women prior to the 2016 election.

The FEC voted 4-1 to close the inquiry after failing to find that Trump or his campaign “knowingly and willfully” violated campaign finance law when his former attorney Michael Cohen paid $130,000 to porn star Stormy Daniels to keep her from disclosing an alleged affair.

Cohen was convicted in 2018 of lying to Congress, tax evasion and other charges relating to the payments to Daniels and other women. He served three years in prison.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/552271-fec-drops-investigation-into-trump-hush-money-payments/

That's the FEC, not the State or city. Different jurisdictions. Had Trump been convicted by the FEC, then double jeopardy may come into play. It's up to the lawyers to figure out.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Fits of spittle frothing? So you can see what they look like? The fact is Trump cannot win the case of payoffs, But he will likely plead to a misdemeanor. That would bother normal voters, but not Trumpys. However the other cases are far more dangerous. I was able to type that with little emotion. It is a fact.

My bet is it never makes it to court. I have no love for Trump. The guy's an utter asshole, and far too full of himself. That's what makes him so off-putting. People who hate the guy (as opposed to people like me that just wish he'd go the fuck away) have been trying to nail him on something for decades, but haven't succeeded. This is just another nothing burger.

 

[ExpressLane]

Depends considering that Michael Cohen spent a year inside, hard to argue he deserves more time that the principle.

Didn't he get convicted of income tax evasion

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

It is difficult for me to imagine the hatrid[sic] that continually boils in the heads of these malcontent wackadoodles.

It is difficult for me to imagine how anyone can regard a person of Trump's character - shameless liar, self-obsessed and abysmally ignorant - as fit to be President of the United States.

Nevertheless, around one third of citizens apparently do. It seems they ignore all of the above because he tells them what they want to hear. Is this what a once-great country has come to?